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April 27, 2011

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Phil

Awesome. And good that the organizers are learning as much as they can with each iteration.

San Francisco calls theirs "Sunday Streets" and bills the event as "San Francisco's Official Block Party". They'll have six in 2011.

I went to one a few years ago and enjoyed it. I hope that the organizers can find ways to help more suburban bikers get their bikes to and from the car-free areas.

Wesley Hyatt

These sound like great events. Thanks for the information, and I hope there is a reminder posted on here for the June event as well. Both sound like fun, I hope to attend both of them.

Dave W.

This sounds great, thanks to the folks who have been working to make this happen, and hopefully this will continue to expand and be repeated often.

On a related tangent, can a Central Park/greater downtown Durham bicycle criterium race be that far behind?

Paging the folks at HTC. Welcome to Durham!

We'd love to see you put on a bike race and bring some of that developmental pro squad around with some others. pros in the afternoon, public race in the morning. yes, please.

Maybe Burt's Bees and Capitol Broadcasting could step up as a co-sponsor with some fundage along with some others? Raleigh has a pretty high profile marathon, a bike race in Durham would be great.

eah919

I was in Mexico City recently and witnessed first-hand, one piece of their massive ciclovia network, out of my hotel window one Sunday.
Here's a link:
http://ciclavia.wordpress.com/2010/03/24/ciclovia-en-d-f-thats-mexico-city/

What was impressive is that the streets they close are not small or out of the way streets- they are huge, main arterial boulevards that in some cases run for as much as 30 or 40 miles. An incredible amenity. Kudos to these guys for getting it started here, small as it might be (for now).

As for the mention of a criterium, I think that's a great idea- like the old Wellspring Criterium in Old West Durham:
http://tinyurl.com/67yqmjp

I lived in Athens, GA, where they have (this weekend in fact) a nighttime criterium around 10 or 12 blocks of downtown (and the City suspends the open container laws..) That would be great for our downtown...
Another link:
http://www.athenstwilight.com/

Eric/OWD

John Davis

Sounds like a terrible idea. Inconvience the many to placate the few. Roads are for cars.

Seven Stars

Oh John, you're hilarious. Roads got paved for bicycles, not cars.

Matt Dudek

@Seven Stars, "Like."

Jack

I am excited for this event, and happy to see the coverage here on BCR.

However, I must take exception with the comment by Mark Dessaur, "[o]bviously, our streets are not safe." I won't refute crash data, but I think his statement is way over-the-top in that it attempts to turn a relative fact into an absolute truth. "Least safe in the state among certain types of collisions" is bad enough, but "not safe" is misleading and, more importantly, simply not true. It is a regrettable and wrong message.

Jack

mark dessauer

Jack - you are correct in correcting my statement. My original intent was to say there is a perception that the streets are not safe - I hear this from so many parents who want their kids to ride bikes. I think this perception is national and the streets are very different from my childhood or that of many others. I hope this event gets people to ride their bikes on the street and feel safer rather than sticking to sidewalks or leaving the bike to get dusty in the garage. There is a very important percentage of folks who are already out riding on Durham streets and I would like to motivate the people who are not biking and have this perception to try it first without cars and start biking again. I am sorry if my statement reenforced the danger.

clif

i don't think i'm going to say anything that people don't know, i just want to emphasize a distinction. i've biked a lot in many places.

biking on streets will never be 'safe'

conceptually, the biker is woefully outgunned, with no armor. only luck, foresight, luck, judgement, luck, a mean streak to survive, luck, and a sexy ass allow bikers to operate safely on roads. and the goodwill and attention of our fellow movers.

i think this is the root of the somewhat passe 'defensive driving' instruction.
knowing/learning what the dangers are and controlling for them makes it safer.

i hope.

Bull City Rising

@JD -- These events happen in plenty of other cities; Phil noted SF's participation above, and when I lived in the Boston area a few years back, a half-mile or so of Memorial Drive routinely closed on Sundays in good weather, connecting Cambridge to the Charles River's banks via a suddenly, temporarily pedestrian- and bike-oriented space.

These ideas may be more foreign in the Sunbelt. But when you look at the migration patterns into the region, folks from the urban cores of the Bostons and Chicagos and New Yorks tend to disproportionately move to Durham, while people from suburban areas around big cities overwhelmingly go to Wake County.

Which would seem to indicate to me that we're likely to see more progressive ideas like this, not fewer, in the future here. It's all part of the "big sort" of Americans....

Jack

@mark - Thanks for the clarification, I absolutely agree with the fact that there is a common perception that the streets are not safe. And in Durham, we have known for some time that we have a lot of "opportunity for improvement" (a fine euphemism for "least safe in the state among certain types of collisions") that feeds that perception.

@clif - You are flat out wrong. You paint a picture in which a vehicular cyclist must be some sort of superhero. That is simply not true. Nor is it true that bikes are "woefully outgunned," for in saying so you are implying that our roads are some sort a size and speed-based "survival of the fittest" environment. Were that the case, only the largest trucks could survive and all other vehicles would perish. Scary stuff, eh?

I hope you are ultimately able to shed the cyclist inferiority complex this post appears to illustrate and appreciate just how much control cyclists like yourself do have over their own safety and understand that our "survival" is not based on superheroism nor the grace of the other road users. If one is a smart road user and obeys the rules of the road, one is likely to be just fine. There is always risk of danger on the road, but I don't think the risk is any greater for cyclists than motorists.

Jessica

Glad to see this. We need more bike and pedestrian awareness and promotion. I hope for the day when we have a full system of dedicated bike lanes and sidewalks on every street in Durham.

clif

Jack: It is your reading that is 'flat out wrong.' No survival of the fittest or superheroes necessary.

I think that by insisting on some purified choreography from whence harmony will emerge you mislead potential bikers. If half of drivers used their turn signal you might have some ground to stand on.

If you don't think 'woefuly outgunned' is apropos maybe you missed the SUV craze.

Thanks for the opinion.

John Davis

Bike lanes cost a lot of money to build and the last time I looked roads were built with taxes on gas. Cyclist alway complain about more bike lanes costing everyone else more money. If you want bike lanes pay for them yourselves.

Rob Gillespie

@JD-
Not local roads. Local roads are built and maintained with property tax dollars.

Additionally, the federal highway tax fund no longer pays for the amount of money spent on highway projects. See this link for more info:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/06/us/06highway.html

Jack

@Clif - There's no "purified choreography," I'm just talking about operating your bicycle the same way you'd operate any other vehicle. Sure, there are obvious differences based on speed and size differences, but John Forester's principle is true, "cyclists fare best when they act and are treated as drivers of vehicles."

And, I didn't miss the SUV craze (has it ended?), but using the word "outgunned" implies there is some sort of battle going on. There isn't. Its just a bunch of folks trying to get where they need to go, and trying to do so without hitting each other. And for the most part, our traffic standards are pretty effective at mediating that such that folks most often don't hit each other, regardless the kind of vehicle they're operating.

@John Davis - Rob's point is true. At this point, gas taxes pay for only about half the cost of new road construction. The rest is paid by property taxes. (http://ur.ly/KAk7) Also, most cyclists own and drive cars as well and pay gas taxes in addition to property taxes.

Regardless the source of funds, though, the roads belong to all of us.

Hammer

@John Davis....
Most people who ride bikes also own cars, and hence, pay taxes. I guess you could argue that roads would require less upkeep if there were fewer cars and more bikes, I don't really know that for sure though.

Jack

@Hammer - Good point! Here's some info I came across recently:

"A single 40-ton semi, which weighs 40 times more than a one-ton car, does 9,600 times more damage to the roads than the car. A bike rider does not compare – the bike + rider unit does virtually NO damage with skinny tires, light frame and rider. Yet, big trucks are not paying their 'fair share' to maintain roads – at least according to a recent [Columbus, OH] Dispatch editorial. Under this analysis, bicycle operators should get a REFUND for not damaging roads…" http://ur.ly/KC7a

Hammer

I ride 18 miles round trip to work 3 times per week. I love the ride early in the morning and except for a half mile stretch on Old Oxford Highway, the ride is pretty safe. If there were 2 feet of pavement on either side of the lane instead of none, it would be infinitely more safe. The spot is between Bragtown and Catsburg, the dip.

Hammer

@Jack. I'll trade the refund for a narrow strip of pavement.

clif

@Jack

i like the way you've walked it back a bit but you're still clinging to sweet bureaucratease.

'outgunned' is intended to elicit thoughts of fatalities. it is appropriate. it may not be a war, which is your word, but people are dying.

and, whoever John Forester is, you're telling me you read his book and learned that he says that bicycles are vehicles?

From the Huffington Post

"According to a 2009 National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) study, there were 630 "pedalcyclists" killed due to traffic accidents. That number was well below the 718 killed in 2008, and even further below the 786 killed in 2005. However, the study noted that: “The majority of pedalcyclist fatalities in 2009 occurred in urban areas (70%). In respect to vehicle crash location in relation to an intersection, most pedalcyclist fatalities in 2009 occurred at non-intersections. Compared to 2008 these numbers increased by 5 percent.”

Jack

@clif - I maintain that "outgunned" is not appropriate because it implies cyclists face a heightened relative level of danger based on their mode of transportation. Its true that a cyclists are not surrounded by a cage of steel the way many motorists are, but using words that imply danger and fear are misleading. Vehicular cycling is generally safe.

Re: John Forester - That's quite an extrapolation from the one quote I cited. His oft-quoted principle is true. If you'd like to learn more about JF, Google him.

And, honestly, his writings fully support your initial comment, "...knowing/learning what the dangers are and controlling for them makes it safer."

Its not his writings that say bicycles are vehicles, though, its the vehicle codes of all 50 states.

In summation, my point is exactly your point that I quoted above. Cyclists can learn the risks involved in vehicular cycling - many of which are the same risks faced by other road users - and can control for them to minimize those risks. There is nothing inherently unsafe about the roads that prevents this from being true.

crowdSPRING

There isn't. Its just a bunch of folks trying to get where they need to go, and trying to do so without hitting each other

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