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July 29, 2010

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Rodrigo "El Justiciero" Dorfman

It all boils down to a very simple equation:

Any elected official who agrees to change the Billboard Ordinance is committing political suicide.

Toastie

I'm afraid that Joe Bowser could commit literal suicide and still be reelected in 2012.

Rodrigo "El Justiciero" Dorfman

Yes, I was going to mention that but I did not want to remind myself that there are plenty of durham voters who don't pay attention to anything other than the color of a man's skin. But since you mentioned it - I'll second that observation.

Fortunately - it's a minority.

Todd Patton

Making any changes to the current billboard ordinance would be crazy - it would just open Durham up to lawsuits from the big corporate billboard companies to try to open even more cracks in our rules.

Both the city and the county need to leave the ordinance alone.

Justin

This whole thing baffles me.

Seems to me like Durham already has a good policy in place. Why anyone who doesn't work with or for the billboard industry would want to change it is beyond me.

Why the CC didn't just say no at the beginning and move on to something more important also surprises me.

GreenLantern

Does any political group, who isn't set to get free advertising (bribes), support the billboard changes? I can't think of one on a philosophical basis, although as I commented before, I might be able to live with one at the county lines on I40 & I85, or 15/501 up to Person county. Why can't that be enough?

They're not an expression of high-tech. They consume a lot of energy and emit significant light pollution. They are fascinating to watch, if you don't have much else to do. A better high-tech option would be to increase the number of LED highway status boards installed by DOT to run public announcements, alerts, or even DPAC/DBAP schedules. They are less energy intensive and could be run off of adjacent photovoltaic panels (which expresses high-tech). Both PV and LED are in my line of work, BTW. They wouldn't be suitable for liquor, tobacco, adult advertising obviously, but who wants more of that?

It's time to put this debate to an end if you can't find supporters who have little to benefit. Either accept a compromise that puts one of these things way outside of town on the interstate, or don't change the ordinance. If the vote is no, then it should signal no further hearings for a very long time.

FWIW

Can we move on already - I can't believe this topic has been debated for 2 years now. What a monumental waste of time and electrons.

John Schelp

Many share the frustration of how long this has taken. Keep in mind, though, we didn't drag this out. The billboard industry did.

There is no compelling reason to overturn Durham's billboard ban. More info... http://supportdurhambillboardban.com

Thomas

To all of you who wants this to go away, remember who Fairway's attorneys are: K&L Gates, the same firm who brought you all the political pranks last week and this on the 751 South project.

Their philosophy is simple: stall and delay, try sleazy tactics, and wear the public down.

Let's not let them wear us down on billboards or 751. Neither idea is good for our community.

Kelly Jarrett

Some of the best community theater in Durham recently was the HILARIOUS aftermath of the botched city-wide PAC endorse press conference. Their crowning achievement of city wide support was revealed to be an entirely Fairway-engineered charade that boiled down to three people who represented no one but themselves. Quid pro who's and manipulations came to light. And we saw all their shady tactics revealed in front of God and everybody. Surely even Joe Bowser could understand it.

Sean

Let's start a PAC and sue Fairway for wasting our tax dollars by forcing our government to continually review and ultimately deny the installation of Electronic Billboards. Since Fairway is only able to focus on money, let's take theirs to replace what they have stolen from us....

Any lawyers out there?? I only wish it would be a simple case, I suspect no case law exists to support the idea but how fun any way.

Chuck

I see Durham as a progressive place. The technology of billboards has clearly changed. A progressive view would be to change a deal cut 20 years ago to take advantage of the new world. Why can't a deal be reached were many of these old delapidated and truely unattractive billboards are taken down and a very few of the electronic ones get put up at specfic strategic locations. The result would allow our community to make a move forward and minimally experience the new technology (a more informative, environmentally consious one). Then in say a decade decide if that was a good move or not. Just a though, or are we so wedded to that 20 year old deal and fight that we don't want to think foward.

One quick observation, I've noticed one of these electonic billboards off of I-85 in Greensboro. Not sure how I feel about it but it wasn't terrible, it wasn't the sort of distraction that would cause accidents, and it provided more info then the old fashion static one's. Hey, that's my take.

Steve Bocckino

Chuck,

Energy conscious? Really?

A digital billboard uses 6-10 times as much energy as a single family house.

Erik Landfried

Good try Fairway, er, "Chuck".

Ann Awnemousse

Chuck, a couple of thoughts:

1) There's no ten-year review process for something like this. The rules change, they change forever, or Durham will be stuck in litigation for time immemorial. Just like two decades ago.

2) Plenty of progressive places have banned billboards or electronic billboards. Maine, Vermont, Montana; Denver, recently. Knoxville.

Cary doesn't allow these. Raleigh doesn't allow these. Why?

If we allow these, we're turning Durham into the laughingstock of the Triangle.

barry

Chuck - if we take your advice, and then decide in 10 years that we don't like these things, we have to pay the billboard owners their lost revenue over their remaining life to condemn and remove them, not their actual cost or their tax value.

That could mean tens or hundreds of millions of dollars.

Durham citizens would be better off pooling their money and playing at those new internet sweepstakes cafes than taking that bet.

Marc

Chuck does make a good point - if we had electronic billboards, then we could have billboard with a clock counting the hours it's taken Lowell Siler to decide whether the 751 South easement revocation is legal. We're nearing 150 hours or triple what he said he needed...

Chuck

Marc, you must be a lawyer and one who's had experience as a county attorney and who knows all the ins and outs for NC General Statutes that regulate the Department of Transportation as it has mophed over the last year. Maybe you don't have this wealth of experience. So why don't you let him do the job he is paid to do. Don't you want him to be correct more than you want him to be fast?

Chuck

Couple of rebutal points, a) while electronic billboards use energy they can be set up to run off of solar engergy only; b) the negotiation could include at ten year sunset -- you get outdoor to buy into the sunset on the front side -- therefore eliminatinig the theat of litigation long term; c) I don see Raleigh or Cary as progressive communities (neither have particuarly progressive land use programs -- sprawl and cul-de-sac are not models for the future -- Knoxville??? please

Got any more "stuff" . . . please.

Marc

I'm not the one who said I needed 48 hours to make a decision on the 751 South easement revocation -- that was Mr. Siler. In a case with such a strong public interest, now that the legality decision has taken more than three times longer than expected, I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for an update on the decision process. I also don't think it's unreasonable to inform the public why the decision is taking much longer than expected and what else needs to occur before it is finalized.

Thomas

Methinks Chuck doth protest too much.

First, he's gotta protect his staff at NCDOT for caving in to the K&L boys, then having to backtrack when the Guv blew a gasket.

Now he's defending these energy-sucking, distracting litters on sticks?

Chuck, please concentrate on getting DOT to pave our roads--and stay away from meetings with developers, land use attorneys, billboard execs, and their lobbyists. It doesn't become you.

bb

Chuck,
Do you know many solar panels would be required to provide 6-10 single family homes worth of electricity for one of these billboards, and where they would go? Give us a break, you don't even know your own issue.

Chuck

Thomas, you are full of innuendo but no facts to back it up. I think I am allowed to have opinions without any such innuendos being suggested. I don't think it becomes you or this discussion to engage in that sort of ad hominem attack. Or maybe you want to but your stuff on the table . . .

Peace out

Chuck

Bb, I'm not an expert but this is 2010 and solar billboards just seem possible to me. But the web is a wonderful thing. Check this out: http://www.brighterenergy.org/11347/news/solar/times-square-gains-first-100-solar-powered-billboard/
Fyi

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