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June 09, 2010

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AdrianHands

Will the new bus have bike racks?

Natalie

Is there a route map with stops listed yet?

Dale McKeel

All DATA buses have bike racks that hold two bikes.

Natalie

n/m found the duke press release http://news.duke.edu/2010/06/connector.html

Erik Landfried

This is yet another example of why the Downtown Loop needs to be converted to two-way. If the bus could take a left from Chapel Hill St onto Great Jones and another left on Main St, it wouldn't have to serve Five Points twice in the westbound direction.

TSQ75

is it geared toward durham residents? will we have to show ID?

Rob Gillespie

@TSQ-
No ID, just get on the bus and ride.

Kelly

No American Tobacco on the route? That should be included, especially since Duke has so many offices down there now. And it would allow free transportation to PAC & Bulls games as well.

Erik Landfried

How would a bus serve that area? Mangum and Jackie Robinson Dr are one-way, Blackwell is closed off for games. Once again, the lack of two-way streets downtown kills options. The only realistic way to get closer is serve Pettigrew St instead of Main St. and have no stops within the Loop. I don't think that's a good trade-off.

Besides, Durham Station is on the NW corner of American Tobacco and both that stop and the stops on Main St are about a block from DPAC and two from the Bulls stadium.

Michael Bacon

It's a block and a half in either of two directions from Ambacco to get to a stop on the connector. I know that if you're down on the southern end it's further, but really, it's not that far.

Michael Bacon

Guh. Farther, not further.

Chris

Anything further, father?

John Schelp

The key to the new Connector is to keep it simple. In Durham's case, Main Street is the backbone. You look up, you see the bus coming, you know where it's going. It's predictable.

When we were first discussing the route here, I tried the free Wilmington Circulator. I stood at my assigned corner and watched the Circulator cross the street a block away and then disappear. It was herky-jerky route that tried to please everyone. I was left wondering when/if it was coming my way.

Durham and Main Street were laid out along the RR tracks. Most of your destinations in the Main Street corridor are within walking distance of Main Street. (If you, for instance, pull the route to the north-side of downtown, you're pulling the route away from American Tobacco.)

Durham's Main Street route is easy to understand. Once you start making too many turns off Main, you're creating confusion -- especially for folks who aren't as familiar with our streets. (The reason it has to go "off-course" to Durham Station is to qualify for federal funding; and it'll get even better when NCCU reaches a point where it can chip in and extend the line from Golden Belt to Fayetteville Street.)

The Main Street Connector. Good things are happening in the Bull City.

AH

Was an extension to NCCU considered, or will it be? I think this is a very cool project and I look forward to using it. But it does look like only some parts of Durham are being "connected."

Phil

Related: can anyone ride the Robertson Scholars bus between Duke and UNC?

Bull City Rising

@AH: From what I heard in some of the discussions about the Connector last fall in the DAD group examining the idea, the big challenge for Central was finding the dollars to bring to the table to support an extension of the circulator to their campus.

There's understandable and appropriate pressure to push for Central's inclusion in the City -- and you'll note that public officials almost always talk about Durham being the home to two great universities, NC Central and Duke, always linked.

That said, NCCU as a state-funded institution is under different constraints than a private institution, especially in the current time of budget cuts.

An underreported story I'd love to know more about: the revelation that Central affiliates will have free access to DATA services in general. I'm curious whether NCCU stepped up with funding to make that a reality, or whether City politicians felt it was a necessary step for parity....

Rob Gillespie

@BCR-
I may be mistaken, but I thought the free fare for NCCU affiliates was only going to be rolled out to certain bus lines, not to all of them. I can't find the HS article, though, so I'm not certain. I know that there is already one route that NCCU students ride for free (the route serving Central's campus).

@Phil-
Anyone can ride the Robertson Bus. In theory, you should be an affiliate of one of the universities, but I know some folks that use it for daily commuting that aren't affiliates. The only time IDs have been checked has been during Duke's LDOC celebration (last day of classes). Also, Duke threatened to check IDs on the day of the NCAA tournament, but they hadn't done that by 6:30pm.

Michael Bacon

Rob,

There have been other times that ID's have been checked. I don't know the reason for this, but there were definitely times in the past two years when drivers were checking ID's at the door.

On the one hand, Duke and UNC fund it, so it's their prerogative to decide who gets to ride it and who doesn't. On the other hand, it seems kind of silly to have empty seats on a bus rolling back and forth between Chapel Hill and Durham when people want to ride it.

Travis Greene

Re: Robertson bus.

They should just charge 10 cents or something minimal for non-Duke/UNC students.

Erik Landfried

Correcting a few misconceptions:

1. The DATA Route that used to serve as an NCCU circulator is no longer in service.

2. NCCU students, faculty, and staff will be allowed on DATA Route 5 if they board from Cecil St north to Durham Station for free using their ID's. They will still need to pay for boardings on other parts of Route 5 and all other DATA routes.

3. The Robertson Scholars bus is NOT paid for by either Duke or UNC. The Robertson Scholars Foundation pays for 100% of the service and currently contracts with Duke Transit to provide the express service between UNC and Duke.

Crystal

I wish the first pick up of the day was before 7am for those of us that do shift work. Would love to utilize this bus but need to be on campus a little earlier than seven.

Dan

This is exciting and I am eager to see how many people actually use it. I guess time will tell. I remember the old Durham Bulls "trolley" bus in the 80s/90s and the bizarre-for-Durham horse drawn carriage around Brightleaf area in the early 2000s. Next we'll create a helicopter circulator.

DK

Thanks for sharing this news. Love the idea of a downtown connector. Lived car-free for the last six years before just moving back to the Triangle. Any option besides logging yet another single-person trip is welcome.

John Schelp

The thinking is to get a simple, successful connector off the ground and then add to it. (Seems to me that NCCU and a north-south route would be priorities.) Duke is contributing a total of $1 million. A good decision that benefits both Duke and the community. (Not everyone at Duke was in favor of doing this.)

I understand the City plans to initiate fare-free service on August 16 to students, faculty and staff who possess an NCCU ID and who board DATA Route 5 (serves NCCU along Fayetteville St) between NCCU and downtown.

Joe

Great to hear this is happening. I used to daydream about a streetcar route that connected 9th Street/East Campus to the central business district back when I was living in Durham.

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