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December 07, 2009

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Rob Gillespie

The link to transit is a very interesting perspective.

After thinking about it, I agree that University Marketplace doesn't appear to qualify for Durham's ED subsidies. We have yet to see evidence that it can't be built without the subsidies. City policy was very clearly written to move investment to community development areas (CDAs), and this investment is not within a CDA. Granted, Hawthorne's proposed investment is more than the $20 million minimum for development outside a CDA, but I'm not sure the project won't and can't go forth without the city incentive.

Additionally, Hawthorne doesn't really appear to care about benefiting the city. That is why they tore the buildings down so quickly-- they wanted to reduce their property tax burden as they sit on the property and wait for its value to increase again after the recession. This is a very different developer than previous recipients (a la Joe Bushfan), who really care about the community before profits.

AR

I'd be careful about making assumptions like those in Rob's last paragraph. It's very much to Hawthorne's advantage to build out this project as soon as possible. Thier demo/start date just happened to coincide with a worldwide financial meltdown! I think their Hope Valley Square re-do shows that they are a quality devloper. Let's not denigrate Hawthorne by making negative assumptions. They are trying to re-develop the site the "right" way.

Bullicious

It seems to me that a long term view results in providing incentives to ANY interested developer. Let's say a site currently provides $100,000 in property taxes and $0 in sales taxes. Let's say that after completion the project will yield $900,000 in property taxes and oodles of sales taxes, plus jobs, plus increased property values on properties around it (which equal increased taxes as well). How does it harm us as a community to give them, say $800,000 a year for five years AFTER they complete the project? I know I'm probably missing something here, but if it creates value for citizens, I think we should do it, without worrying about whether it's actually required to make the project work.

And as BCR implies, with incentives we can start tying strings to the project to make sure that it's a better project for the community.

Khalid

If incentives were tied to public benefit such as infrastructure, a synthetic TIF could be used. This is basically borrowing against future tax revenues (similar to Bullicious' comment).

Will every developer want an incentive then???

Requirements could be put in place to ensure the projects are transit-oriented (in actual corridor) and dense with accompanying structured parking (still a necessity...# of spaces by code as well).

DBL

Infrastructure is indeed the best incentive.

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