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December 22, 2009

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Jonathan

I really want to make it to one of these Rolling Hills meetings. I first heard about the area as "one of the best views in Durham." Being a life long resident Durham, and my mothers side of the family can be traced back to early 1800's in the Durham area, I had to check it out, and I agree it is the best view in Durham.

I don't know what the plan for rebuilding the area, but the first thing that struck me was a excellent place to combine history of Hayti neighborhood, great location for roof dining restaurant and bars (not high class like nana’s or magnolia grill but something like Beyu café), and towards the back of the property, student housing for NCCU.

I am a graduate of NC A&T in Greensboro and one of the complains of the student body was the lack of a quality eating, music, and bar scenes close to campus. I am not talking about a grill, and 2 dollar beers, but nice establishments with quality fresh food, like what you can find near UNC Greensboro or downtown. I haven’t been to NCCU but did go to Durham Tech, and the location of eating establishments doesn’t exist in that area. Plus add on the fact that NCCU is having a housing problem, nice apartments for students plus a few good local eateries during the day turned into a jazz / drink spot at night would be a good thing for the college student and the local residents. A good idea that came into my head is something like the Busy Bee / Hive in Raleigh. However it needs to be focus to the neighborhood and culture, not just the standard white collar business man, bringing in gentrified businesses.

Durham has the history, Hayti has the history, don’t just build standard block housing without incorporating the history of the area. What about a recreation of Royal Ice Cream, or talk to “Skippy’ Scarborough, I am sure he has some good ideas.

Khalid

One thing is for sure...the status quo in Rolling Hills and on Fayetteville St. is not working. Any talk about the threat of rising property values sounds crazy to me. One...properties are only revalued once every 7/8 years or when major renovations are completed. Two...home ownership is supposed to lead to more wealth and access to the middle class. Aren't property values in our neighborhoods low enough already? Three...the current shopping centers on Fayetteville go far enough to reduce the value of surrounding properties.

I agree with Jonathan...the history of the neighborhood should be celebrated in the new development. At the same time, it should look to the future and be neighborhood where people choose to live and contribute to the history of the area.

Oh BTW...Aggie Pride! :)

Tar Heelz

Like the cycle of the sun's rise and set, the City of Durham must follow its destiny and periodically throw public money at Rolling Hills only to watch those funds fade away in the twilight of another failed (if politically well-connected) effort.

Those who have lived in Durham long enough understand this law of municipal nature. As such, we spend the Holiday seasons at home with our families, rather than wasting time at such meetings.

Bull City Rising

@TH: If theres one thing that gives me hope that this time is different, its that we have a City Council thats demonstrated its not adverse to bringing in knowledgeable, capable outside parties to work on projects. Thats been the case with DPAC, with American Tobacco, with bond-funded projects -- which have been generally running fairly smoothing -- and now, I hope, with McCormack Baron Salazar.

Id hate to be so cynical on the past efforts, which admittedly have been pretty abysmal failures but havent used firms that have expertise in these areas, as to overlook the possibility that this may work.

Khalid

The past plans were flawed from the beginning. Most of the attempts were made when people were still fleeing the urban core (i.e. Woodcroft and Hope Valley). In response, there plan was to bring the suburbs (i.e. architecture, swimming pool, tennis courts, etc.) to the urban core. Hopefully, that plan along with the accompanying downtown loop will be gone soon.

Any new plan should focus on the strengths of the current area not try to recreate something from another area.

Rob Gillespie

I'm with Kevin on the inevitability of the Rolling Hills project going through this time. Both council and the city manager have come out pretty strong in saying that their plans will be followed through this time. Also, it does look like the current plans focus on urbanization and density, which are the two exact things we need in a plot of land across the street from Ambacco.

I just don't like the fact that this process is being pushed through so quickly with a meeting the week of Christmas. I'm not surprised at all about the lack of turn-out. People are traveling and at home with their family. I don't think that public meetings during the last two weeks of the year is in the spirit of open government. There are far too many holidays during these two weeks. I understand that the process needs to get rolling, but why couldn't city staff be prepared to have a meeting last week?

Khalid

@ Rob: This was definitely not the first meeting with Rolling Hills community (and surrounding areas). There have been many meetings over the last several years to get to this point. It will probably not be the last meeting either.

GreenLantern

I only wish the Hester's could be bought out, and that eyesore of a shopping center be redeveloped into something Jonathan and his friends would be happy to patronize. Perhaps Andy Rothschild is reading this?

Rob Gillespie

@Khalid-
I'm well aware of the fact that this was not the only meeting. I attended one of the charrette meetings as well. I know this has been a 20-year process.

I still don't think that holding a public meeting the same week as a major holiday is in the spirit of open government.

Bull City Rising

@Rob: Technically, this was not a public meeting held by local government, but by McCormack Baron Salazar as the putative redeveloper holding a neighborhood meeting to let residents know of their rezoning plans.

Of course, one can also point out (as, IIRC, the Hesters did) that MBS doesnt currently have site control and is essentially holding a public meeting for rezoning a site theyre proposing to buy.  Then again, wasnt that all the point of MBS being selected as the site redeveloper in the first place by Council?

Im inclined to have seen this meeting as a technicality and dont think having the discussion this week really impacted the openness of the discussion.  Also worth keeping in mind that only a fairly small number of Rolling Hills parcels are owned by anyone but the City at this point.

Khalid

@ Rob: I was speaking specifically to the 3-/4-year process that was initiated recently. There are probably still monthly HOA meetings which still occur as well.

The majority of the people in Rollings Hills/Southside are probably tired of meetings. From my experiences with this latest initiative, people were more concerned about a plan actually happening versus the stops and starts of the past.

Most of the people feel there property values have steadily declined as each new plan to complete the development has failed. So they wanted assurances that this would not be more of the same.

Honestly, we need to stop looking at this as a public "project" and look at it like a development. In the process, everybody will not be happy initially but that is not always a bad thing. If at the end of the day, we have a quality development that serves as a catalyst for this community...we will have achieved the necessary goal. And the history of failure in this area will be erased.

With that being said...this was probably a procedural event only made necessary by the planning codes. Adding part of the property to the DDO will allow a more urban feel while providing a transition to the surrounding community.

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