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December 11, 2009

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Todd P

Anything that helps get this project going is great. Much of the work to be done will be to upgrade a couple miles of US 70, a further benefit to Durham.

Durham, Winston-Salem and Asheville have gotten screwed out of this funding while Charlotte got a 60 mile loop, Raleigh got a 25 mile semicircle, and Greensboro, Wilmington and Fayetteville all got projects completed as well.

Durham's indecision over the NE/NW loop played a big part in the funding delay. The fact is that the portion of the proposed route from US 70 at the Wake County line to I-85 near the new Walmart is the same today as it was under the old Eno Drive plan. That portion of the road was just 2-3 years away from construction when Durham went back to the drawing board for the rest of the route in 2002.
http://www.ncdot.gov/projects/ndp/

But Durham decided to shuffle the priority of how the loop money is to be spent (#1-EEC, #2-US 70, #3-I-85, #4-N Durham Pkwy), and NCDOT sent our road money to another city that had a project ready to go. If Durham had left the I-85 to Wake County portion of the N Durham Pkwy at the top of our priority list, it would probably be open today. Instead, we still have nothing to show for the nickel a gallon we have been paying since 1989.

GreenLantern

@ToddP: The NE Durham Parkway from I85 to US70 near Page Road was not meant to be a freeway and did not offer a stoplight-free route from I85 to points south. This portion of the old Eno Loop was to be 2-4 lanes, divided by landscaped median, and numerous intersections with local connectors like Cheek, Hwy98, Holder, Sherron, etc. The purpose was to take some traffic off of Hwy70 on the way to the airport or Raleigh, and to promote growth in the eastern portion of the county. Since it begins at a point east of Page Road at Hwy 70, it would not effectively serve to move commuters from RTP to areas north and east. It would allow a direct access to the airport with an alignment with Aviation(?) parkway, but for most part would not be a commuter route or way through the Triangle as the EEC would provide with direct access to the Durham Freeway in RTP.

Renaming the EEC as "Triangle Expressway" was a good idea, since it really does benefit the Triangle as much as it does Durham. Durham will get a much-improved US70 roadway as a side benefit.

Todd P

@GL - I did not mean to suggest NE Durham Pkwy as a substitute for the EEC - it isn't. What I am saying is that Durham would at least have received some loop road money by now if not for our change of plans / priorities for the loop road funds. We moved the one shovel-ready project that had current studies and environmental planning done to the bottom of our priority list, below 3 others that were years away from being construction ready.

Rather than shifting funding among our priorities, we effectively sent our road money to Wake, Guilford, and Mecklenberg Counties. The EEC is long overdue, but delaying the NE Durham Pkwy has done nothing to help get the EEC built.


Chuckde424

Nice piece Kevin . . . I did want to add that the EEC portion of the Triangle Expressway, or whatever you call it, will have regional benefits and significant Durham benefits as well. One of the most signifiant benefits will be for Durhamites who may never use the new road and live on the Duke/Gregson street corridor should be a significant reduction in the highwaylike traffic that barrels through their area from I-85 and points North to get to NC 147. Folks from northern Durham County and even Person County will have quicker access to the airport, the coast, the sandhills, the RTP, and Raleigh. Again, thanks for the thorough treatment of this issue.

GreenLantern

@ToddP: Understand. However, the NE Durham Parkway was not at the top of the list for the group of projects that were negotiated with DOT in lieu of the Eno Loop. If memory serves me, the EEC was #1, followed by widening of I85 to Red Mill Rd, followed by US70 upgrade, followed by NE Parkway, followed by the NE Parkway extension to Old Oxford/Snow Hill Rd. That means no money would be spent on the shovel-ready NE Durham Parkway until the funds were used up from the associated projects further up the list. Funds set aside for other local projects would have had to be shifted to the EEC, which was not shovel-ready, because the DCHMPO and local government moved it to the top of the list. Most people expected the state to treat Durham with some consideration given our size and needs, but politics stepped in and money was diverted to loop projects down east. The projects in Wake, Guilford, and Mecklenburg are far more needed than the one down in Fayetteville given the growth rates, so I wouldn't say it is a fair comparison.

Even though we shifted our priorities from the old Eno Loop configuration, the EEC was the top priority until (I suspect) a certain representative from Fayetteville stepped in with considerable influence over DOT and somehow got those funds to complete their loop from I95.

I happen to live right next to the proposed NE Durham Parkway, and have been waiting for it to get started for over 12 years. Even though it might benefit me and my neighborhood and will act as a catalyst for growth, I still don't see it as a priority for Durham given the EEC, HWY 70, and north/south connectivity from RTP to North Durham--which the NE Durham Parkway does very little to address as it is aligned too far to the east at US70.
Using it as a commuter route from RTP to points north would dump far too many cars on Miami Blvd/Sherron Rd, which is already loaded with Wake County traffic, versus the direct route from RTP using the Durham Freeway. That's why I'd rather wait until we get it right with this new proposed Triangle Expressway.

Hopefully with this new angle, the decision-makers across the state will put aside what was argued over the past several decades locally, and focus objectively on the needs of many rather than whether NC taxpayer money is being wasted on poor, dirty Durham.

Gvilleguy

Another benefit of the East End Connector (Triangle Freeway) will be a reduction in rush hour traffic at the dangerous Ellis Rd\Angier\Pettigrew intersection where the recent tragic accident just occurred. I use that route everyday on my way to the RTP from southern Granville County. The EEC will reduce people (like me) using that intersection as a cut through to reach the Durham Freeway. The road would also help people in western Wake and southern Durham counties reach the government institutions in Butner more easily.

I also think the North Durham Express or whatever it is called was just a ploy by the DOT to shift loop road funding elsewhere. They knew the road would face significant opposition thus tying up the decision making process for years.

Khalid

Triangle Expresway will probably reduce traffic on Capital Blvd w/ people from W. Raleigh/Cary/Apex/etc. using the new highway route. Branding is everything in this case. Regardless of the new planning system, we will still need support from our local legislators (Luebke, etc.)

www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=2718395

Does this mean the city would get Duke and Gregson back and could make them 2-ways streets? Man that'd be nice!

Bull City Rising

@http://www.facebook.c--oh-whatever: Yeah, thats the theory. City officials have said in the past that 2-waying Duke/Gregson and Rox/Mangum would be a possibility once the EEC lowers traffic load. On the flip side, the City would have to take those roads off of NCDOTs hands in order to do so, so we need both the connector built and for tax revenues to look all happy for that to happen.

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