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October 20, 2009

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Freddie

Very Insightful K!

I am one to believe that if you build within, growth occurs around you. Hence, if you pour money towards the downtown areas, downtown neighborhoods around it will grow with it as well as you'll have more and more people that want to be around these resources.

I agree that more money should be poured to even amount of areas but reality is, there isn't enough money to go around with blight and the conditions Durham used to be in for such a long time.

Naturally and historically, growth starts with the downtown core and once the downtown economy is healthy and thriving, this money made in these areas will help in recovering areas around it like the Fayatteville corridor, Angier Ave, NECD, or even Roxboro Rd.

Phil

"When it's election season, distributive politics -- those that focus on how the pie gets divided, versus how the pie get baked in the first place -- tend to bubble up to the top of the queue"

Well-mentioned, Kevin. Too often, the wrong questions get asked. Then it becomes virtually impossible to find the right answers, then do the right thing.

Related-ish: Back in the 90s, I was visiting some executives in the Philippines who had been hosting some Mexican government people who were interested in the Philippines' experience with land reform. The Mexicans observed with a start, "we want to learn how to cut up the pie -- but you people have cut up the pie PLATE."

G Wolf

Let me first say that I am all in favor of stimulating growth in the downtown area (ie, within the loop), as well as the other areas mentioned. However, I have to take issue with the following statement:

"However, with this approach no public money goes into the projects to get them completed. "

It's just not true. In fact, the author says so himself. A "tax reduction" means that less taxes are collected by the city/county/state government(s). That means less money flows into the government rolls. Granted, in this particular case, it is in the interest of collecting more future taxes, but in the short term it's still less taxes taken in for Year 1 (and likely Years 2, 3, and 4).

Basically, the government is making a bet, putting up some of their taxes in Year 1, and hoping for a bigger payoff down the road. Strictly speaking, that is public money going into the project.


Also, on another note, why no mention of the Lakewood area? Is that not a just as good, if not better, candidate for investment than the NCCU area?

Chuckde424

G. Wolf,

As you quote, what I said was that "no public money goes into the projects to get them completed." New taxed on the completed project would not even be assessable until a Certificate of Occupancy is issued. Of course, that would be the point at which the project is also completed. So as I said, under TIF finanicing, no public money goes in to get the project completed. Another way of making the point that I was trying to make is to say that if the project doesn't get completed, the developer gets not public benefit. Of course, the developer should not get any such benefit but the point is about cash at risk. The develope & his finanical parterns and not the government are financially at risk because no public money goes into the project until it is completed.

Second, my listing of communities where development could go was not meant to be exhaustive. Of course, in each case, you need private developers with ideas and financing to support projects that are close to being financially viable independent of government support.

Chuck

Khalid

It is also inaccurate that no public money has gone into our neighborhoods. There has been plenty of public money pumped into SWCD (i.e. Lakewood area) for many years. There has been money pumped into NECD including Eastway Village and the HOPE VI project. Historically, money has been pumped into Fayetteville St. and more money is in the pipeline for the area.

Now all these projects have been on a smaller scale because they have been mostly public projects with non-profit involvement. The private sector has been a limited partner up to this point (for better or worse). A more delicate balance has to be utilized in the neighborhoods because it is possible to uproot the good with the bad within these neighborhoods.

IMO public-private partnerships (i.e. synthetic TIFs, etc) should be reserved for larger scale catalytic projects. As of right now, those projects have been downtown (including the so-called loop). The developments around the Hayti Heritage Center will probably involve some sort of incentives. The key is the private sector recognizing an opportunity and taking on an immense amount of risk.

Chuckde424

Great points Khalid . . . I particularly appreicate your points about public money going where private money hasn't been willing to go, SWCD, NECD, HOPE VI and the like and your appreciation for the contributions and risks taken by private developers even in the pub-priv parntership setting.

I also agree that the three developments around the Hayti Heritage Center would seem to be likely targets for pub-priv partnerships where there is sufficent vision and capacity brought to the table by private developers.

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