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October 06, 2009

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The Gourmez

I was incredibly amused yesterday with how many local tweeters promoted the article by saying either "Raleigh is the smartest city" or "Durham is the smartest city," leaving either one or the other city out of the ranking and ignoring Chapel Hill entirely (which the article did, too, while simultaneously mentioning UNC Chapel Hill as one of the reasons for the ranking). Is the Triangle generally an accepted blanket term for the region or do people have issues with that, too? I can't ever keep the discussion straight.

Toby

Here's another set of data points for your consideration, courtesy of the excellent blog "Calculated Risk". They illustrate the result of what has to have been one of the dumbest mass delusions in recent human history:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_pMscxxELHEg/SsIHnIL3gAI/AAAAAAAAGcc/ebePVZ4v2CU/s1600-h/CaseShillerCitiesJuly2009.jpg

Using Charlotte, NC as a good-but-less-than-perfect substitute for the Triangle region, it appears that folks around here mostly avoided the most extreme excesses -- I think that's a kind of intelligence that is often in short supply.

DKay

I understand how Tina Brown feels. I spend my weekends in Eastern North Carolina and it is an entire different universe down there.
On the other hand, I left Durham a few years back and moved to a small town in Missouri. The biggest employer was the Assemblies of God world headquarters. I felt like I had been dropped into the Twilight Zone. I did not realize how wonderful it was to be surrounded by smart, educated and engaged people until I lived somewhere where the percentage of those people was so much smaller than it is here.
I couldn't wait to get back here and I won't willingly leave again.

Bull City Rising

@Toby: That's an intriguing find. The lists (house value crashes/bubbles vs. "smart" cities) don't correspond perfectly -- SF is near the worst and Dallas near the best on this list, both unlike the smart cities tally -- but there seems to be a relative correlation in many cases.

John O

I had a friend who used to work for the chamber of commerce in Omaha, NE.

Omaha, as you know, often shows up highly on these lists. But as someone who spent a decade living in Omaha, let me just say, it doesn't exactly deserve many accolades.

Anyway, the chamber used to routinely get shaken down FOR MONEY to be placed higher on lists.

Sometimes this would involve pre-purchasing 10,000 "promotional" copies of the magazine in which the results were going to appear. Sometimes this would include a $50,000 series of donations to a specific "not-profit."

When the same tops-list appeared the next year, often the list maker would tell the Omaha chamber that some new city (say Tacoma...) had really "improved" since last year, and that Omaha would need to "step up" in order to stay highly ranked.

Suffice it to say, it was all very shady.

Now I'm sure that Durham / Raleigh deserve many of these placements. I moved here partially because, after doing extensive research, I found this to be true. We *do* have an incredibly well educated population. We *are* a super "livable" metro.

But I think we're showing up on these lists a little too often to be merely accounted for by our awesomeness-- especially since so many of these lists are shake-downs.

And that makes me ask, who is it in the Wake Chamber of Commerce (or some other group? City Hall? ) that is paying to get us onto these lists?

Phil

"it slices! it dices! it regionalizes!"

Heh.

Steve

"But wait, there's more! If you buy that Raleigh-Durham is one city we'll throw in Chapel Hill and Fayetteville* for free! Act now -- operators are standing by -- and supplies are limited!"

*Last week when the Wall Street Journal chose "Raleigh-" (and when the accompanying picture showed Brightleaf, I guessed this to be Raleigh-Durham) as the 7th best next hot youth-magnet city the rationale included expansion of Fort Bragg. Go figure.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703787204574442912720525316.html?mod=WSJ_hps_RIGHTTopCarousel

aburtch

"It slices! it dices! it regionalizes!"

I'm resigned to the fact that our fair city of Durham will forever be lumped in with its regional neighbors, never to be fully understood by the outside world. But part of me is OK with that.

I also wanted to point out that so many of these lists are 1. subjective and 2. created merely as generators for page views and media attention.

ChiefJoJo

Let me first say that I don't live in Durham, but I enjoy the city a great deal, particularly the older neighborhoods. With that out of the way, I think we need to realize that when taken as one city (Chapel Hill, Durham, Cary, Raleigh, etc) to the exclusion of the others, we don't stack up very well. As much as boosters of each community could like to believe otherwise, the whole of the Triangle region is greater than the sum of the parts. We can be a successful region while also maintaining and celebrating the unique identities of our cities and towns.

FWIW, I don't think it's an accident that the WSJ picked Brightleaf for the photo op. It's part of what sets Durham apart from anyplace else.

Bull City Rising

@ChiefJoJo:DURHAM ROOOLZ RALEIGH DROOOOLZ!BULL ACORN!Seriously, I dont disagree with what youve said.  I do think were stronger as a region than we would be independently.  I find it fascinating how much the individual character has come to develop in each city, far more than Id have expected in a region of our size.
For me, Durham is a city Im comfortable and happy living in.  I dont think Id feel the same way about living in other cities in the Triangle.  And thats OK; we can be good neighbors, and share in the accolades.
One source I suspect of some of the defensiveness that arises lies in a suspicion that, well, Regionalism = Raleighism.  Debates over transit and stormwater that are taking place right now between the cities inevitably get mired in that perspective.  Heck, I find myself lost in it frequently, too.
(Though as a point of order: the quote on NCSUs omission from the Daily Beast story came from the NO, not me.)

mike

"I'm resigned to the fact that our fair city of Durham will forever be lumped in with its regional neighbors, never to be fully understood by the outside world. But part of me is OK with that."

This will always be true, but nothing unique to here. San Jose and San Fran (one metro area) are very different in appearance and culturally yet people still don't seem to realize outside of the area how Silicon Valley is actually a different place than San Fran. It's just how it is.

damien guarniere

If the Raleigh Durham Chapel regon is the smartest regon in the US we are in trouble. We have life long politions and a governer who (was lt gov under our last joke/crook of a govener Mike Easley) got elected on the obama wave and because her last name is perdue and voters used little though in her policies for governing our state and instead used word association with chicken production. If we do have smart people here it no thanks to public schools. The good old boy democratic system is alive and well and they lie in both parties Dem and Rep parties. No one votes and people say it won't change so why try. Public transpertation is a joke and people stick within ther own comfort zone. Not to much racial diversity or comingling between the races and all races are guilty of this lack of reaching out to others not in there race. Drive at your own risk but if you have a record be prepared to be stoped and harrased because that is the type of profiling that is accecpet. Not to mention or district attornies determin which judge you will go in front of (judge shoping) I believe the only state in the Union that allowes this practice. How fast we forgot about the duke lacross case with an over zelous DA who shut down the 1 lacross team in college sports just to get re-elected in a perdomintaly black city. Openminded people are not the norm they are the exceptin in this area and that souther hospitaly you get in your face while gossip is what is done behind your back. How can you call a state that vote for George W. Bush not once but twice into office and only went Obama way once we knew he was going to win. I agree this is just a way to decieve the public into believing that this area is a great place to live. In some ways it is but we have a long long way to go and until people come out of there comfort zone the sheltered residentes of Research Triangle will have a rude awakeing when our state debt is unable to be fixed and there gov grants are taken we have no real industry any more except higher education and all of the education can't help you if there not jobs to work. Until we stop lawyers from running our country and have people running for office who are not in it for themselfes we will continue with the rich getting richer and the rest of us fighting amongest ourslefs for crums.

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