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October 07, 2009

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Frank Hyman

It's not possible to quantify it, but the rain plays a role in dampening turnout.

Frank Hyman

jacob

I wonder about the line of causation you're drawing in the final section. Are Durham politics directed at people in Central Durham because those are the people who turn out, or do we turn out because we feel more connected to municipal politics because we're the audience for most of it? Also, do you have a sense of why the two Trinity Park precincts (Watts Elementary=3.34% and School for the Arts=5.64%) were so much lower than Watts-Hillandale, Forest Hills, and OWD?

Peggy

Is Watts Elementary really a Trinity Park precinct? My folks live in TP but vote at DSA, while I live on the northern edge of Watts-Hillandale and vote at Watts Elementary.

While I didn't expect high turnout, these numbers are scary low to me. (I was voter #84 in my precinct at 7pm last night.) The fact that so few people have such control over our local government should either make us giddy with power or seriously concerned.

John

Trinity Park is very hard to gauge turnout-wise if you're looking at precincts, because it is sliced up into four precincts (1, 2, 7, 20).

Precinct 2 (Watts) also contains Trinity Heights and Walltown, Precinct 1 (Brodgen) extends over across I-85 up to Murray, Precinct 7 (DSA) extends to neighborhoods south of Main st. and 147, and Precinct 20 (County agricultural building) extends into Duke Park and Old North Durham.

Michael Bacon

Regarding Jacob's point, I take a third view -- both of those effects (high focus on central neighborhoods and high turnout there) are effects of a common cause: better political organization in the central precincts. For all the people in southwest and southern Durham, no political organization really penetrates there. (With the exception of the predominantly black middle/upper class neighborhoods down that direction, which are prime DCABP territory.)

Don Moffitt

As soon as the general election is over we should start working on overhauling municipal elections. My guess is that it cost us somewhere in the neighborhood of $20 per voter yesterday, which is nuts. And, as Peggy pointed out, it's a little scary to have 4% of the electorate determining election outcomes. (I'm reminded, however, of the local activist who said, "I don't care how many people vote as long as they vote the way I want them to.")

Ideally we'd implement a workable "instant run-off" election, but the perception that it somehow results in a fixed election most likely cannot be overcome.

Two other options: 1) adopt Raleigh's method of having an election in October, and a run-off only if necessary in November (if, that is, no candidate in a race got 50% + 1 votes). Had we done this previously, we'd be through now. We would have voted on all four races, and with yesterday's results we would have had clear winners across the board.

In the future we might still have poorly attended elections in a run-off but hopefully we'd avoid most run-offs all together. OR 2) we could lower the threshold of votes required to a plurality, or a plurality of at least 40%. That's the threshold for nomination to the Board of County Commissioners, which in Durham Co. is tantamount to being elected. Lowering the threshold in City Council races would further reduce the likelihood of run-offs. ANYTHING that would make an election more meaningful would (hopefully) increase turnout.

If we wait to overhaul municipal elections until there are candidates, we'll wind up in the ditch again, with everyone concerned that a change will harm them more than it would another candidate.

If the media would quit writing about one or another local PAC's resurgence, then they could leave off writing about their demise as well (but then, of course, there'd be no story).

None of the local PACs (or the Indy, the Herald-Sun or the N&0) turn out votes. Period. They can and do guide votes, when their typical voters are motivated to get out on their own. So yes, in 2008, the Durham Committee had a lot of influence on the outcome of the primary, and no, so far, they haven't shown much impact in 2009, and yes, they will again some time in the future.

Toastie

Precinct 2 rolls contain several hundred Duke students, who only turn out for presidential elections and then move away. They fall off the rolls eventually, but there are always new ones coming on. As a result, it's difficult to ascribe much meaning to the turnout figures here.

AFN

Don,

Couldn't agree with you more. I was thinking about this myself yesterday. How do you propose we go about getting this changed?

A Fellow Neighbor

Erik Landfried

OK, this is going to sound kind of Pollyanna, and that's not something most people usually accuse me of.

To me the big story is not that there was a low voter turnout (shameful though that be) or the Battle of Those Who Received Less Than 20% of the Vote. It's that over 60% percent of those that did vote think that our current Council members are doing a pretty good job. Cole-McFadden and Clement have their share of detractors and yet they both won HANDILY in the primary and will likely win big in the general. Regardless of what anyone thinks of the competition, that's pretty impressive.

So to me the big message of the day is that Durhamites are pretty satisfied with how our City Council is doing as a whole and they are not interested in removing anyone from that team right now. Couple that with what seems like impressive results from our City Manager and I'd say this is a pretty good time for the leadership in Durham. That doesn't mean we should get complacent or that everything is perfect. But things are getting better - that's something we should celebrate once in a while.

Durham Voter

@ Don's Propasal.
It’s too bad that the Elections Board bungled their attempt to change the system earlier this year. They appeared to blind-side the City Council with their naïve winner-take-all proposal. A little discussion before-hand with the community would have pointed out to the Elections Board the pitfalls of that system and would have likely led to a modified proposal for a system, similar to that of Raleigh. Maybe this can be the start of that overdue discussion.

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