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October 06, 2009

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Doug Roach

"...unintentional beneficiaries of an informal coalition of racists, Libertarians and Republicans who will disregard the FoD endorsement and perhaps lift one or both of them into the November election."

The pernicious link to a kindred breeding is a strong one to overcome when that heritage also includes ethnic chauvinism learned as a child. This is true of ALL cultures, not just caucasian.

The politics of race will end, eventually. It may be many more years in coming but someday humans - even Durhamites - will evolve beyond ethnicity as a qualifier for leadership and instead focus on the principles and policies of candidates.

Nathaniel H. Goetz

"The politics of race will end, eventually. It may be many more years in coming but someday humans - even Durhamites - will evolve beyond ethnicity as a qualifier for leadership and instead focus on the principles and policies of candidates."

Well said, Doug.

Tar Heelz

Did the Chamber of Commerce and CVB give any consideration to "Durham: City of Race Politics"? I'm not sure City of Medicine has the same above-the-fold spark.

Erik Landfried

Thanks Frank - an interesting read as always. Perhaps there is not enough data to answer this question, but can you point to any tangible improvement in the amount of racism that affects these vote tallies?

To put it more plainly, is there is any evidence that the politics of race are coming to an end?

Erik Landfried

Wow, the first paragraph I just wrote makes no sense. I'd ask that you only refer to the second paragraph.

Chuckde424

For those who want to act as though racism is the issue in Durham, its always a matter of compared to what. In our neighboring Wake county, the school board races include an entire slate of candidates running on a blatantly racist platform -- they want to stop worrying about diversity in their public school student assignemtns or "stop bringing the black folks to "our" neighborhood schools. Now compared to that, a few precincts where only 40-60% of the white folks are unwilling to support the suggestions of their "conservative" political group, if Frank is right, largely because of their own even more racist orietiation . . . well that just pales by comparison to Wake's election??? I will concede that it does actually exit here but in smaller pockets than it does generarlly in America or this state.

Thanks Frank for stating facts that, if spoken by a black person, would be dismissed as just racist.

Frank Hyman

@ Eric

"To put it more plainly, is there is any evidence that the politics of race are coming to an end?"

My sense has been that a lot of the racism has been underground through the 70's, 80's and 90's. And yes a lot of the old racists died (Jesse Helms for one), but they managed to raise a new generation of racists with a more subtle approach--the Wake Co. anti-diversity crowd is a good example. They all look like Baby Boomers to me.

Talk radio in the 90's gave the racists a ghetto in which to gather and fester and the recent bad decision to allow anonymous comments on blogs and newspaper sites (whether MSM or alternative) has allowed them to float their racist commentary without the fear of retribution that had kept them mostly underground at the end of the last century.

Much as some would like to deny it, humans are primates and "monkey see, monkey do" guides a lot of the behavior of many humans for good or ill.

The more racists can get away with marketing their crazy talk with impunity (think the Herald Sun comments section) the more others get comfortable with coming "out" as racists. (think Joe Wilson).

To summarize, I think the US is going post-racial about the same we we are going post-cigarette smoking. Have you noticed how many people in their 20's, who appear to be college educated, are smoking these days? I thought we were winning that one and smoking was getting down to just being a habit of the least educated and most depressed members of our society. But as a minority activity it offers a bit of a rebellious image.

I think modern, subtle racism (and by "subtle", I mean that Middle America and MSM and people lacking in compassion don't recognize it.) and even open racism now has cache of rebelliousness even for young people.

We also should recognize that there is a spectrum of racism--KKK on one end, Joe and Jesse somewhere in the middle, the Wake Co. folks, in their indifference are somewhere on the far end.

The only answer I have is to recognize that this is a struggle we'll have with us for the rest of our lives in varying degrees--humans tend to be xenophobic and that gets worse under economic stress.

Prepare for the long haul and don't burn out.

Frank Hyman (and sign your stinking names you cowards) :-)

Erik Landfried

@Frank

Thanks for your thoughtful response.

I was very unclear about what I was asking however. I am wondering if there was anything in your DATA to state which way "politics of race" are trending in Durham, if they are at all. In other words, is there anything in the voting record that shows that members of mostly-white PACs (PA and FoD) are more or less likely NOW to vote for a black candidate or that members of the Durham Committee are more or less likely NOW to vote for a white candidate, particularly if those candidates have been endorsed by said PAC.

I hope that is clearer.

Erik

P.S. While I support your campaign to have folks post comments with their real name, it would be nice if you could spell their name correctly when they do :)

Nathaniel H. Goetz

Well said, Frank. Thank you for this.

Mary Edgewater

Frank,

Your chicken's have flown the coop again! Obviously, you have plenty of interesting ideas, but your personal style (as evidenced in Durham political circles) leaves much to be desired. In fact, I bet if you posted anonymously your IDEAS would get more attention because YOU would be taken out of it.

Mary Edgewater, an "old friend" of Frank's

Page

Regarding Wake county, before we pat ourselves too hard on the back, we need to recall that, when the city and county schools merged, there was no effort to balance schools racially, except for a few magnetized inner city elementary schools. The school board allowed an easy transfer policy, so that students assigned to, for example, Hillside could get out with little effort. Check the make up Hillside today. White students are a minority system wide now and no one dares adhere to strict assignment guidelines to disperse them proportionately across the schools. Can't use race anyway anymore, but we are not doing it by SES and achievement either. The present Wake school board has my vote of gratitude for hanging in for so long.

TrinityRez

"The African-American candidate who does best, when endorsed by the FoD and running against white candidates, is Howard Clement, who used to be a Republican through the 80’s and 90’s. He switched to unaffiliated during the recent Bush years. In overwhelmingly white precincts outside the city center, Clement has been able to garner about 60% as many votes as his white slate-mates--when those voters have the option of voting for a white candidate."

Do all the racist forget their hatred when Clement runs?

I would wager that what little bit of white racism that goes into the voting booth is exponentially out weighed by the black racism that definitely helps blacks candidates in Durham. But black racism exhibited by Cole-Mcfadden in her fire whitey hire black episode is to be overlooked in Durham.

I have no problem calling out racism where it exist. However, what gets old is the continuation of dwelling on white racism while never discussing black racism.

Racism is not monopolized by one segment of the population.

Will

@ Mary Edgewater

I don't know you or Frank but I dare say that YOUR comment would probably be taken much more seriously if you left the YOU and whatever "old friend" baggage you're no-so-subtly referring to, out of it

Chuckde424

Let me suggest that this conversation might be closer to reality if, rather than arguing about "black racism" or "white racism," we step back to understand that the phenomon in American society that we all deal with is really the notion of "white surpremacy." As a friend of mine and scholar that I know makes clear, "white surpremacy" is like the water we all live in and breath.

It's not about blaming this group or that group for their solidarity or common view of the world. Its about understanding that our society has been strutured for centruries on this fundamental premise. Black folks are not perfect but they didn't structure our society around race. White folks today didn't do it either. Long before any of us got here, that aspect of our society was cast in stone. It is for us to try to understand it and deal with it.

I think Frank's analysis helps us to see something. Now how will we deal with it. Are we going to ignore it, try to deny it, engage in ad hominem debate, talk about things that happend in the school system almost 2 decades ago or are we going to recognize the facts in the mirror and "make that change."

Andy S

Interesting read. I don't have years of experience dealing with Durham politics so much of this is new to me.
However, in regards to the Wake county election the only thing I would like to mention is that not voting FOR a diversity-based schooling policy is not inherently racist or prejudiced. I could understand if I was a parent in that system, I wouldn't want my child re-assigned to multiple schools in a short period of time based on an administrator's arbitrary idea of diversity.
As someone else pointed out, a white person can't play the diversity card when they find themselves a minority in a school system. Focusing on diversity above the MANY other challenges facing our schools reeks of out-of-touch bureacracy (and has been rightfully rejected by Wake voters according to this morning's news).

Frank Hyman

@ Erik

"P.S. While I support your campaign to have folks post comments with their real name, it would be nice if you could spell their name correctly when they do :) "

OOps. My bad.

Phrank Hyman

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