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October 29, 2009

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Jennska

And for all the things you've listed, we are thrilled at our walking proximity to downtown Durham. We're just across 147, so it isn't the most pleasant walk, but we get some exercise and no parking woes. And no worries about having 2 pints with dinner.

Coco Pazzo

But wait, there is hope. At least one enterprising individual in parking starved New York city created a website which listed garages AND their ever changing rates. Now in a city where "In By Nine, Out by Five" can cost less than a brief hour two doors down, such a website is a god-send.

Since I don't have an iPhone or iPod Touch, I don't know if this is now also an App, but some developer should hop on it immediately for parking decks around the country!

Jeni

It's an easy choice for me. If it's just baby and me, we choose the deck. If my husband is with me, we park wherever we find a spot. One simple answer: safety.

I think we're taught as women at a very young age to always make sure we're in plain sight of others, especially at night.

Natalie

That's odd. When it's just baby and me, we go where ever we like however we like. Generally on foot. Through downtown.

Greg

Shhhhh...Stop telling people where the free parking is.

Nilsson Schmilsson

"many of my worries and fears about whether Durham and Raleigh can succeed as real, honest-to-goodness urban areas comes down to...parking"

When this becomes a real urban area, we won't need more parking....

Durham is on its way to being awesome, but will be more of a legitimate urban area when the majority of people start living closer to downtown and/or walking around rather than driving. Or at least taking public transportation (which obviously needs to improve here) to get downtown.

But if people here are so used to their cars that they can't part with the driving lifestyle, I say we at least take the ridiculous beginning of downtown (right after east campus...the few blocks with the funeral home, dominoes, paper store, coca-cola building, etc.) and turn a good portion of that into parking lots, since it's an eyesore and unfortunate introduction to our downtown area anyway.

Khalid

Side note: There are some parking decks in Downtown Cleveland that make the E. Chapel Hill St. deck look as sturdy as the Egyptian Pyramids. Crumbling concrete and rusted, exposed rebar...needless to say I don't park there often.

It took a while to break from my Southern mentality of riding around for 15 mins. looking for a free spot. I go ahead and pay for the closest spot especially during the winter.

Justin

Parking garages downtown are fine. They should just be the place you store your car while you're doing lots of different things.

The problem is that most downtown activity is something like:
- drive to parking garage
- walk to game
- walk back to car in garage
- go home

What you really need is a reason to spend a lot of time downtown or do multiple things. I think Durham will get there, we're just not close yet.

Bo H

I'm surprised by the perception that decks are somehow safer than parking on the street. The (unfortunate) reality is that there have been just as many (if not more) security problems at decks; the lack of visibility is an obvious negative difference. Of course I'm just shooting from the hip (anecdotal evidence): would like to see crime stats that confirm or deny...

JG

No Parking = No shopping

barry

"No Parking = No shopping"

Where exactly does one shop downtown?

"I'm surprised by the perception that decks are somehow safer than parking on the street."

So am i. The parking deck is the last place i want to be walking around at 11 pm.

My .02 - as long as we have so many private surface parking lots in the downtown area, their owners should have to pay an excess runoff fee for all of the stormwater we have to deal with as a result. One way to get a credit for this fee would be to allow public parking in your lot after hours. If we've got to have all this impervious surface, at least let's get some use out of it.

Second, why is street parking allowed on some blocks for ballpark events, but banned at other times? It can't be a safety issue, can it? Why allow parking there on some occasions, but not others? Allow street parking on all of these blocks all the time. The idea is to encourage people to be out walking on the streets, not scurrying from the theater to their cars to the freeway.

Matt

Parking is going to be an issue near West Village as the dining/shopping continues to build-out. Residents are already having to find alternatives to the OCF parking lot during evenings that the Westend Winebar has events.

JeffS

Can't say I get over to Durham that often, but I am sooo tired of hearing people in Raleigh complain about the "parking situation" downtown. I have no idea what they're talking about.

Couldn't find the bike valet at SparkCon so we circled around and left them at at the racks in a deck two blocks away. We exit the deck to see... yet another deck on the next block.

Anywhere you go the private lots are charging more than the big decks, or the remote lots with free shuttles, or the free decks two blocks away. I can only assume these are for the people who circle the Wal-Mart parking lot for ten minutes waiting for that perfect spot. Cities should take advantage of this by charging two or three times as much for lots and on-street parking. Call it a laziness tax.

Or better yet, remove the on-street parking and put the public space to better use.

Toby

Unless we're talking about a really BAD area, I always feel safer parking on the street than in a parking garage. Look at it from the perp's perspective: would you rather lurk about waiting for an easy purse-snatching victim next to an open, public right-of way, where a car could appear with only a few seconds' warning? Or would you (the perp) rather be in the relatively hidden confines of a raised concrete structure, where you can watch the stairwells and listen for any approaching vehicles?

Just sayin'

Michael Bacon

I don't find this all that surprising, particularly the parking on the loop. On street parking not only helps pedestrian scale retail, but people tend to use it more when there's things to park in front of. It's hard to find places to park on-street along Main St. on Friday and Saturday nights, but it frankly never occurred to me to go onto the Loop to find parking. Why? Because like most people, I stay the hell away from the Loop if at all possible. (I usually end up on Parrish St., which is well utilized but usually has spaces.)

At the same time, the parking on Blackwell is closed during Bulls games, and during the day, well, it's not like you can park, get out of the car, and walk into something. You have to get around the Great Wall of Ambacco to get into any of the good stuff. It's easier to just park in the deck.

Kevin Farmer

You could always just take the bus. If there's any one thing our bus system seems designed to do, it's to get people to and from downtown.

B

I view the street parking downtown that nobody from out of town coming to the DBAP/DPAC/CT seems to use/know about as our own "residents only zone". And I'm pretty happy with it that way.

Chris

Southerners (and anyone who learned to drive in the 'burbs) just don't know how to parallel park. Parallel parking isn't even part of the road test in some states!

Having grown up in NY - parking on-street is a skill you need to learn if you plan on owning a car. Down here, people seem to get away without ever parallel parking anywhere...even if its guaranteed to save them a few bucks!

Jeni

I should have clarified that I was speaking specifically about when I'm going to the Ball Park.

If I were able to find a spot on the street that was in plain view of people and not a half mile walk, I'd opt for that, but more often then not, that hasn't been the case. So I opt for the ATC parking deck. Sorry but I'm not walking all the way up to Dillard, pushing a stroller in the dark by myself. Maybe I've just had bad timing?

When I go to more central spots, like 5 points, I park on the street. I can always find a spot!

JG

@barry : That's why everybody prefers Southpoint. Parking = Shopping.

For downtown, it also works parking = dining.

JG

@ barry : The idea is to encourage people to be out walking on the streets, not scurrying from the theater to their cars to the freeway.

Suddenly you make Durham as attractive as Paris.

Jameka

@JeffS
the parking situation in Downtown Raleigh is much different than it use to be. The best example - down along all of the side streets around Glenwood South. Those side lots and streets use to be available for parking, however now the street are line with No Parking signs and the small lots are restricted to valet only. You have to get lucky and hope someone leaves one of the few spots directly on Glenwood, walk a good while (not just a few blocks) to find any free parking, or just pay the price. Not cool....

ChiefJoJo

"parking = shopping"

The worst recipe for Downtown Durham, Raleigh, or any other to follow is to try to be like the burbs. We tried that as a formula in the post 1940s and we have projects like the Durham Freeway to thank for it. Folks who like downtowns and urban areas don't like them for the vast moats of surface parking like Southpoint. They like the walkability, the cluster of old brick warehouses and lofts, interesting architecture, cool restaurants and art galleries... you get the picture. Show me a successful urban area, and I'll show you one that charges for parking (on street & decks). This is not because supplying space for cars is inherently bad, but because (based on decades of observation and study) urban areas are most effective when they are built for people first, and cars last.

Downtown Durham will flourish as it once did when the city makes it difficult to build in the suburbs (like the ill-conceived 751 project or even Southpoint itself) and easier to construct thoughtful urban infill projects in and near downtown, while investing in multimodal (transit/bike) solutions to help entice suburban residents to come to town and leave the car behind. As the urban population near downtown and robust transit service increases, the need for parking is reduced. There's a basic guide towards developing a vibrant urban core.

sallie

way late to the party, but my parents pretty much freaked out when we bought a house with no drive way. The where are you going to park mentality is crazy. Um...the street like all the other folks in the neighborhood? Street parking = getting your car broken into in so many folks mind.

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