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October 05, 2009

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Todd P

From the N&O story on high speed rail:
"The 174-mile route between Raleigh and Charlotte would be double-tracked, with around 30 new bridges to eliminate most at-grade road crossings."

This would have a significant impact in Durham. Almost every place the railroad crosses a road in Durham is either an at-grade crossing or a substandard, low-clearance bridge.

Would any of Durham's crossings be eliminated? At-grade crossings currently include
Grant St
S Fayetteville
S Dillard
S Mangum
Corcoran St
S Duke St
S Buchanan
Broad St
Anderson St
LaSalle St
Neal Rd

Would any of the many the low-clearance bridges like Roxboro St, Chapel Hill St, or Gregson St be replaced?

Plus, the addition of a second track would include new track through most of Durham. Other than short stretches at the rail yard in E Durham, downtown, and west of Neal Rd, the rail line through Durham is a single track. The addition of the second line would also increase the likelihood of commuter rail in the Triangle.

Tar Heelz

Where do they come up with a 174 mile route from Raleigh to Charlotte? Google Maps puts it at just 164 miles by highway from train station to train station. I would guess it is considerably shorter than this by rail.

Also, I still wonder how many folks will park their cars at the station, wait for the train, ride the train to another station, and either rent a car or take public transportation to their final destination. The drive time between stations is 2 hours, 40 minutes according to Google.

Is 25 minutes in actual point to point travel time enough to shift behaviors? (I would think not given the time required waiting at the train station. Amtrak says you must arrived at least 30 minutes prior to departure.)

You would think the high-speed option would have to be appreciably faster than the current interstate option. Let's crank those design speeds up a bit, eh?

Katharine

@ Todd P

If you're interested, the Rail Division has posted their ARRA applications here:
http://www.bytrain.org/fra/default.html

The 8/24 project list at the top has short descriptions of the all of the projects included in the applications. From a quick skim, it looks like Durham is featured in NC1, NC4 and NC8. I found two crossing closures: Church St (near Hopson Rd) and Wrenn Rd in East Durham and three grade separations: Hopson Rd, Ellis Rd and Glover Rd.

There is also mention of improvement of five bridges between the 751 bridge ("Funston") and Durham Station to accomodate double track -- that might include the Chapel Hill St and Gregson St bridges.

Todd P

Thanks Katharine - that's good information.

Building a second track through Durham would effect a bunch of things that have encroached on the RR ROW over the years - buildings, city streets, etc. It would also include some pretty significant construction / fill right behind Brightleaf.

Seth Vidal

Wow. The item about new railroads made my day. If they're saying 4 hours from Raleigh to DC then that brings the Raleigh->Richmond trip comes down to what? 2 hours? If so I may find myself not needing a car anymore for the trip I make the most often.

Is there anyone I need to write to to continue encouraging this?

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