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August 29, 2009

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Ellen C

We've had similar issues come up in Watts-Hillandale. In our 'hood, curb cuts were put in at corners where there were no connecting sidewalks. We got the same explanation, too, about the Federal mandate and ADA requirements. Go figure.

Todd P

Too bad the federal mandate doesn't make them install new sidewalks and curb cuts in neighborhoods that have no sidewalks at all.

Instead, they allow property owners to determine whether new sidewalks get installed, and unless you convince half your neighbors to go along with the assessment, you get nothing.

So the "have's" get ramps they don't want and are not needed, and the "have not's" get nothing. What a screwed up way of spending tax dollars.

Grayson Baur

The City needs better lawyers. What a stupid settlement indeed. On Old Oxford Road near Roxboro, there's no sidewalk or curb ramps at all, and no shortage of citizens who would use them to walk to the grocery store from nearby neighborhoods. The City needs to use some imagination in fulfilling their mandate, and they need to give priority to underserved areas. Why is this so damn hard?

Eric W

As a recipient of part of this collection of curb cuts, I concur with the consensus of previous comments. As an employee of a state agency, I am all too familiar with state and federal mandates. However, it is my experience that there are almost always more and less creative ways to fulfill the often laudable goals behind the directives. More creative responses typically both maximize the positive impact of the goals at the least cost. I see no evidence of the city choosing the creative path in this case, much to the detriment of our neighborhood.

Arnette Atwood

Has anyone raised a question of Section 106 review on these curb cuts? Its the part of federal (and state) law that requires a review of potential negative impacts to historic resources when federal monies are involved.

I agree with the previous poster that the city needs better lawyers!

TSQ75

I got a notice han delivered to me early Saturday morning that I would be getting a ramp in front of my house this week. I'm in OND.

I have absolutely no problem with it. My .02

Shortpier Longwalker

My faves are the myriad curb cuts that lead to broken, heaved, weed-clogged and practically unnavigable sidewalks.

Fed up citizen

In the WHHN, a curb cut just went in at the eastern corner of Woodrow and Oval Drive. The "sidewalk" is the length of one house. There are no plans to have the sidewalk extended anywhere else in WHHN. There are no sidewalks anywhere else on Woodrow. WTF? This is Mike Woodard's street for Christ sake? This is the second time this issue has happened down the street from him? The first time the ADA issue was brought up. Fine. Even though the sidewalk itself ends in the grass, I get that. However, what I don't get is the solution. I could rent a bobcat for one hour, remove the sidewalk, fill it with dirt, plant grass, and be done with it for far cheaper than the city pays for the "curb cuts to nowhere". I'm tired of our elected city officials making excuses for wasted money and bad decisions. At some point, something needs to change in this "sidewalk" mess.

Joseph

re: Old Oxford.
Grayson. Thanks for pointing out that area. Every time we take a trip to Catsburg our blood pressure rises a bit when we drive that stretch of road. To have housing for poorer folks who are less likely to have transportation within walking distance of decent grocery and other stores is great. Too many places lack those opportunities. But then to make the residents walk thru dirt, mud etc. on the side of a busy road to get there just seems plain mean.

rivlax

Keep in mind that this is the same federal government to which so many seem anxious to hand over their health care administration.

Erik Landfried

I feel like I'm missing a lot of information about all this - can someone point me to a resource that explains this better?

I'm specifically looking for:

- What caused this issue in the first place
- How it was determined how many and where these improvements needed to be made
- If there is a specific plan and timeline for these improvements

It seems like everyone is just passing this off as "hey, it's a federal mandate and it doesn't make sense, but hey, that's the federal government for you." I'm not convinced that's the full story.

Greg

'Keep in mind that this is the same federal government to which so many seem anxious to hand over their health care administration.'

WTF indeed...

Rob

So... I just don't get it, as well. But from the other side of the issue.

I'm interpreting the argument against the curb cuts as a "our neighborhood doesn't have those people" argument (those people being the folks that would benefit from curb cuts). Is that really the argument posed by some of the Forest Hills residents?

Doug

Nice non-sequitur, scary Federal government (bad, bad).

There is an awful lot of griping going around here. Let's not forget why the ramps are installed- walking/wheeling down a sidewalk is far more dignified (and safer) than walking/wheeling down a road. I challenge any of you to rent a wheel chair for a day and try to get around - anywhere. Those of you who reside on Hermitage Court, your houses are still beautiful to look at and after the leaves fall and stain the new concrete, I promise the unsightly ramps will blend into the landscape.

Fed up citizen

OK. Let us try this again...

This boondoggle has nothing to do with FUNCTIONAL sidewalks and ADA compliance. The curbcuts in the WHHN that I lament are the ones on sidewalks that are ONE HOUSE LENGTH long on roads that have NO OTHER SIDEWALKS on streets that WILL NEVER have sidewalks. When this topic was brought up before, Mike Woodard said something like... "Well... I'm not happy about this either, but we have to do it because the city is getting sued for ADA compliance issues." Now, what I don't understand is... why can't we just remove the ONE HOUSE LENGTH of sidewalk on the entire stretch of Woodrow, fill it with dirt, plant some grass and call it a day. IMHO, that would be the sensible and COST EFFECTIVE WAY to handle this hurdle. What I'm wondering is why isn't this done? Does Mike W. have an answer? This is the second time this has happened right down the street from his house.

Kevin Davis

@Rob, Doug -- I'm not sure the complaints have come up over opposition to accessibility to persons with disabilities; I think the question has come up because of the number of them, and the fact that other areas where there is significant pedestrian through-traffic aren't getting them first. I was actually a little surprised myself to see what it looked like in person.

Today's H-S has good coverage of the City's perspective -- which includes a state law said to be stricter than the ADA, and which the City doesn't feel like gave it a choice.

In reality, though... I'd be shocked if the omnipresent and similarly-sloped driveways didn't get used just as frequently as ramps by a resident so needing them.

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