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May 07, 2009

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libby

really impressed with BCR coverage - actual journalism! the videos are a nice touch, too.

Doug

Thank you Kevin. Yes, great reporting. Much more depth than the N&O or Herald-Sun.

10,000Brainiacs

I'm a little perplexed over what seems to be a slight obsession with which issues CAN chose as their centerpiece issues. To me, the important thing is that they started a dialogue, they got communities involved and they are now forcing school officials and county commissioners to go on record with their beliefs and intentions. I'd much rather see a process like this started that involves a lot of people than have a group tell the community definitely what the main problems are. We have plenty of people telling us what what the problems are in Durham; we don't have nearly enough going to the people and listening to what ordinary citizens think.

Get rid of the trailers

Facilities are just one part of the issue. If nice new facilities were the answer, students at Eastway Elem and Hillside HS would be performing better, and the various schools with multiple trailers (Forest View, Eno Valley, Easley, Riverside) or older facilities like DSA would be doing worse.

To me, parent involvement and household income play a far greater role in overall student success.

Which is not to say that every dang trailer in the county should be replaced - they should be. Just think if it was your kid sitting in one of those trailers during a tornado watch.

FineSwineWishHeWereMine

I am glad to see that the attempt to turn this into a black vs. white student issue was pretty much shot down because one thing I am certain of is that nothing will ever get done to improve the schools if the debate gets mired in that particular argument. Not only is it not true, meaning we'd be failing to address the real cause of underperformance, it ignores the issue of low-income Latino student needs and it would only bring out the usual suspects in Durham politics, meaning... nothing would ever get done beyond grandstanding.

Kevin Davis

10,000Brainiacs and FineSwineWishHeWereMine: If you're going to change your anonymous posting name between stories, fine -- but please at least be consistent on a single thread so people know you're the same person commenting.

It'sYourParty

I look on my signature as a creative P.S. to my post and change it to add one more message to the overall opinion -- I use insane signatures to make it obvious it's me and I think most people get that. But for some reason your cookies pull up old signatures and sometimes I forget to change them. No attempt to mislead people. However, I can see the anonymous nature of it has bothered you a lot lately -- you have made several comments about it in recent weeks. I hate making someone uncomfortable on their own blog, so I think the best solution is probably for me to find a blog that acknowledges the inherently anonymous nature of the Internet and make my comments there as, like many people, my agency job forbids me posting under my real name. There are other good local blogs that could use a boost in traffic anyway. And maybe you need to consider disabling anonymous posting since it seems to bother you more than most blog hosts?

Frank Hyman

Couple of thoughts about the post and the comments:

@ the Post--While on the Strategy Team in Durham CAN, we often were mystified as to why the local papers would devote as much or more coverage to meetings, marches or protests that involved maybe 15 or 20 people from one organization and generally composed of one race or religion or party, etc.(and who did not have much to show in terms of accomplishment aside from press coverage) compared to the rather modest and sometimes non-existant coverage of a successful and powerful CAN action that involved numerous elected officials making new policy commitments involving lots of money and staff time, engineered by hundreds of Bull Citizens of all races and a variety of religions, parties and neighborhoods in a meeting open to the public.

(I don't have the most recent tally handy, but membership in CAN generally runs about 20-25 congregations, associations and neighborhoods--hence the C,A,N acronym. In terms of people, these organizations, probably represent about 10-15% of Durham's population.)

BCR's quality and quantity of coverage on the recent Delegate's Assembly of Durham CAN is more in line with what we had expected from the local papers with their larger resources and purported commitment to educating readers so that they could be better informed citizens. Thanks for doing the legwork. (and pardon the run-on sentences--too paraphrase Lincoln, if I'd had more time, I could have made this shorter)

@ Comments:

My theories as to why people post anonymously on blogs (one or more of these may apply):

1) They are 8th grade boys.

2) They are not 8th grade boys, but their emotional and philosophical development may have peaked at that point (I sense lots of female heads nodding knowingly)

3) They belong to an organization that would be really, really mad if their true identities were attached to some comments they made in their off time about public issues.

4) They don't work for such a stern and powerful organization, but they want people to think that they do.

5) They like to visit their vicious snark on thoughtful citizens without suffering the return of same.

6) They are oblivious to the fact that while some citizens have thick enough skins to not be bothered, their viscious snark actually discourages posts by thoughtful citizens who could stand a fair fight, but refrain from participating when they could be subjected to plain old-fashioned anonymous rudeness.

7)They mistakenly believe that it is necessary to allow anonymity on blogs in order to have a wider conversation. To believe this, they ignore the implications of #6 above and ignore the fact that newspapers, who require self-identification, have no lack of signed letters to the editor or op-ed pieces.

8) They are not concerned about their own credibility. As I've noted in the past, it's noticeable that the anonymous posts lack the knowledge and thoughtfulness of the posts where people sign their names.

9) And finally, they lack cojones (or in the interests of gender equality, lets say they lack gonads).

Frank Hyman

Michael Bacon

RandomAnnoyingNamePerson: It's not always inherently obvious that you are the same person. I have no problem with pseudonymous commenting (to a point), but I do wish you'd pick a pseudonym and stick with it. All of Frank's good points to the side, I just find the switching really irritating.

Erik Landfried

What agencies don't allow their employees to post to blogs using their real name? The CIA? Secret service? Is this true for all blogs or just certain ones? What about sports blogs? Can you post to those or is your employer afraid that your opinion on whether or not Coach K looks like a rodent might compromise national security?

I can sort of understand the reasoning when the particular subject might be a conflict of interest for you but you'd still like to participate in the discussion, but surely not every subject could be off limits, right?

Ellen Reckhow

There is one additional consideration relative to the analysis of Pearsontown Elementary School. Pearsontown is a "choice" year-round school requiring an application to enter a lottery. Parents need to make a special effort to apply and thereby show an interest in their child's education. Nearby Southwest which is not a choice school has lower test scores.
I would submit that parental support and involvement is also a key factor in student success.

Ellen Reckhow

KeepDurhamDifferent!

I wish y'all would stop picking on FineSwine. Plenty of employers restrict blogging (including mine), but even it's not explicitly prohibited you can't blame him for being careful in this economic climate.

To Frank's point #6 I say: tough cookies. Bring the snark, cuz if I wanted milquetoast platitudes I'd be reading mainstream media. That said, I often prefer Barry's coverage of the same issue because he is more opinionated than Kevin.

Toby

@Ellen: you are correct about the importance of parent involvement in educational outcomes. Let's go to the experts (full discloure: my mom was the lead author) on that question:

http://tinyurl.com/rey3c7

Toby

Kevin Davis

Just to stake out, once and for all, where I am on this anonymity thing.

FineSwine, I have no problem with you using an anonymous handle, even a mutable one. I ask that you keep it the same _on a thread_ because, actually, you're not the only poster to change anon handles with each comment -- though certainly the most frequent. Keeping it the same on a single thread helps readers know they're responding to the same person when a dialogue happens.

My position on anonymity isn't as cut-and-dried as Frank's. I have significant issues with the level of dialogue that happens in some communities where such comments are allowed -- witness the WRAL and N&O web sites, for instance.

OTOH, the fact that anonymity isn't allowed on the H-S' letters to the editor section doesn't keep that from being, largely, the same 20 people sniping past each other. Seriously, if I see another Mike Mills/Jamie Huff letter followed by the same responders....

I know the backgrounds of many anon posters at BCR and the conversation is generally better for them sharing facts that they wouldn't share if their identities were known. As long as a conversation stays civil -- something that usually happens around here, if slightly less often than when this site didn't draw what's now about 10% of the web traffic that the Herald-Sun gets -- I don't have a problem with what people want to use as their names.

While it certainly impacts the credibility of the comment to a reader, I certainly get that there are legitimate (as well as less legitimate) reasons to avoid using one's own name.

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