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April 27, 2009

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Michael Bacon

The "build the fence higher" isn't just a joke -- Duke resident genius Talman Trask tried to slip something into the UC zoning to allow them to build an eight foot wrought iron fence on top of the wall.

Duke does wonderful things for the community, but when it comes to anything having to do with the interaction between the physical spaces of the city and the university, they oscillate between clueless and tone deaf.

mehmattski

At my Freshman orientation (this was in 2002), some administration official joked that the story behind the fence was that Trinity College trustees wanted a 10 foot wall around campus. JB Duke supposedly thought this was ridiculous but agreed, only to build 7 feet of the wall underground. The NCDOT will have a tough time digging up the wall if that were true...

Phil

"you don't have to be in Durham long to hear the jokes about Duke's desire to find a way to somehow fence itself off from Durham, to make that wall a bit higher."

Call me outlier or just plain liar, but I don't think I've ever heard that joke.

Rob

Well.... the joke at Duke's Beaufort Marine Lab is that it has everything the Durham campus has (library, class space, dorms, cafeteria) and one thing the Durham campus could only dream of-- a moat surrounding it.

Dan

It's not a "gothic wonderland" without a high wall or moat. (ha ha) Seriously though, I believe that there would be some town-gown tension even without it.

cw

Is there any indication of project duration and how this will impact traffic, especially campus buses?

JPL

That number (500 feet) seems really large. Riding over the bridge today it didn't seem like it could be more than 50 ft wide (on the east campus side anyway).

durhamwalkingdog

how said - this is going to be a hideous change I fear

Bullicious

DOT is not known for its ability to design beautiful structures. This is an extraordinarily sensitive site, and if DOT puts a typical bridge in place it will be ugly as sin. Where we now are largely unaware of the bridge it will be oh so in our faces. We'll get used to it in time but it will be another tear in the fabric of the quality of life here.

On the good news side, the state is broke. The highway trust fund is empty. Road building is more or less at a standstill. There's a new Secretary of Transportation, and Mr. Conti thinks that there are more ways to move people than simply on four rubber tires. Maybe, just maybe, we'll all get lucky and either it will not come to pass OR it'll be more sensitive to the surrounding environment than DOT is predisposed to do...

a. librarian

The Main Library now (officially) has the public review document at the Reference Desk. It was brilliantly left on the public bulletin boards, next to the "Free Puppies" and "Joe's Lawn Care" ads, instead of being brought to the desk. Anyhow, come ask for the public review document at the Reference Desk if you like - we have it now!!!

durhamwalkingdog

is it on-line anywhere? or can someone take pics, scan it or such?

Todd P

Just as Durham residents seized on the replacement of the US 15-501 bridges over New Hope Creek to get a better design (taller and longer to allow pedestrian / wildlife traffic beneath the bridges), this project should be seen as an opportunity to improve the area.

Instead of fretting over the potential impact, what do we want? Old bridges don't last forever. Better bike/ped facilities along with a design suitable for the area would be a good place to start.

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