Blog Widget by LinkWithin

« BCR's Daily Fishwrap Report for February 25, 2009 | Main | Wafting's end: more on the insurance issue, and Council rumbles »

February 25, 2009

TrackBack

TrackBack URL for this entry:
http://www.typepad.com/services/trackback/6a00d8341c786253ef011168959b33970c

Listed below are links to weblogs that reference The challenge of regional planning: Next verse, same as the first?:

Comments

Ben Greene

What an incredible exercise! This sounds like it was a very valuable and impactful forum, and I'm grateful that you have shared this experience with us in such detail. This same goal of regional compromise must and can be achieved on the neighborhood level with Durham, and I'm very hopeful that community and elected leaders who attended this event can share the lessons learned and extend them across Durham for the benefit of us all.

GreenLantern

A very throrough assessment, Kevin, with a lot of things to think about regarding growth, transit, and competing interests. It's a lot to digest.

This got me thinking about regional rail once again, with the planned route from Durham to Raleigh. The current plan has a lot of negatives that don't serve the population in RTP all that well, because most don't live downtown. It seems that there's a lot of interest in Chapel Hill/Pittsboro, and from North Raleigh, to get on a rail line directly to RTP, without having to go to downtown Durham or Raleigh. These folks are using the interstate, and clearly the fastest growing population of upwardly-mobile people are choosing to move to "Ruritan" insted of either downtown. What if the rail route was a figure-8 that added to the planned route, but looped both ends around Chapel Hill and the NW section of I40, connecting at RTP? With a few bus connectors from the rural areas to train stops branching off either end to park and ride lots, instead of having to venture and park downtown, you could collect a lot more "Ruritan" commuters without having to extend the rail lines to towns like Hillsborough, Wake Forest, and Pittsboro.

I never was a fan of light rail for this area because of our layout, unlike Charlotte, whose radial design was far more useful bringing people from suburbs like Pineville to downtown workplaces.
Light rail for the Triangle is going to have to be a lot more circulatory in its design for it to work, which will probably cost a lot more, but given the projected growth would be money well spent.

jonn

I don't envy your invitation to this event at all. But i'm glad someone with your point of view is there.

JDC

This is a fantastic report, Kevin. And it's especially timely for me as I've just sat down to begin writing a paper for my regional planning class based on... you guessed it: the Research Triangle. Bravo.

Joe E Ramon

Great stuff, even though Judy is a punk.

Kevin Davis

Thanks, all, for the feedback. @GL: I think the idea of a more "figure eight" style route is not a bad idea at all. In fact, I'm starting to think that Raleigh's plan of a rail line along the US70 corridor would make a great addition to the I-40 route and offer more possibilities for cross-connections.

At today's Reality Check wrapup a speaker from Envision Utah noted that their group had been able to get transit lines planned and supported that will be within 1/2 mile of a million new residents. Amazing. Can we get that kind of forethought in the Triangle? 90% of today's attendees favor more taxes/fees to pay for transit, but hey, we're a self-selecting group. (And I don't think Paul Luebke was there...)

Tom

Google’s Blog alert sent me to this post because of the term “regional map.” This post should be useful to subscribers of Regional Community Development News, so I will include a link to it in the March 11 issue. The newsletter will be found at
http://regional-communities.blogspot.com/ Please visit, check the tools and consider a link. Tom

Merry

There is also a link back to this in the comment section of a blog post about Reality Check at Kaid Benfield's Smart Growth blog on the NRDC site:

http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/kbenfield/planning_with_legos_or_i_may_n.html

ChiefJoJo

Kevin,

A little late to posting here, but... I attended Reality Check as well. I think your experience was a bit different than my own. While our table of 10 represented disparate interests (from economic development to environmental groups) from all corners of the region (both Ruritan & Duraleigh), we actually had widespread agreement on guiding principles based on principles such as promoting TOD, infill, expanding natural conservation areas, etc.

The one problem we encountered was perhaps acknowledging that if you are going to build something like light rail, you need to place moderate to high density development along the line to make it work effectively. Not surprisingly, some people loved the light rail idea, but did not fully consider the implications of laying lines all over the place.

Regarding Utah, I am envious of their rapid success and it's certainly worthy of praise, but if you look a little deeper, they have two key elements we do not have that have made the job of building transit easier: geographical limits on sprawl and a homogeneous population. SLC, Provo, Ogden, etc, are essentially hemmed in by the Great Salt Lake to the west and the Wasatch Mountains to the east. Also, despite being a conservative state, having a mostly white population has advantages when you contrast it with how the typical southerner views transit (i.e., transport for poor blacks).

It was good to see a general consensus around a regional transit vision, though as Kevin noted, when groups begin the work of hashing out the details of siting transit here or there and how to place TOD near existing neighborhoods, things can degenerate quickly.

My two cents.

Verify your Comment

Previewing your Comment

This is only a preview. Your comment has not yet been posted.

Working...
Your comment could not be posted. Error type:
Your comment has been posted. Post another comment

The letters and numbers you entered did not match the image. Please try again.

As a final step before posting your comment, enter the letters and numbers you see in the image below. This prevents automated programs from posting comments.

Having trouble reading this image? View an alternate.

Working...

Post a comment