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July 18, 2008

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barry

Kevin - Dr. Allison made it quite clear at a recent Democratic Party meeting that the DCABP will be opposing this tax in the fall.

The issue will be, i think, a physical one of making sure that people actually know where it is on the ballot so they can vote on it. Presidential year elections make for some strange ballot constructions in NC.

I'll have more on this at my place later today.

eah919

Question: Isn't a prepared-food tax considered a progressive tax? I.e., it 'targets' a 'luxury good' which is disproportionately consumed by higher-disposable income folks (and is consumed even more disproportionately by out-of-town businesspeople and tourists), while funding public goods. What is DCABP's concern with this?

barry

There are a good many people making the argument that lower income members of the community eat a disproportionate number of their meals at cheap, fast food restaurants. A commenter at my place cited a newspaper report showing that it's cheaper, and more time efficient, to purchase fast food meals than it is to go to the grocery store and buy and prepare staples, for low income people who may be working more than one job to make ends meet.

cw

"Question: Isn't a prepared-food tax considered a progressive tax? I.e., it 'targets' a 'luxury good' which is disproportionately consumed by higher-disposable income folks (and is consumed even more disproportionately by out-of-town businesspeople and tourists), while funding public goods. What is DCABP's concern with this?"

I have some trouble conceiving of the Minor League Baseball Fan Experience Museum as a "public good." I'm all for giving money to a landmark building such as the Carolina Theater, but a minor league baseball museum? Should citizens be forced to fund that sort of venture? I fail to see how something like that would be a boon for the local community; rather, a "fan experience" museum should derive funding from private initiatives rather than public taxes.

Joshua Allen

Some of us eat out because we work hard every day and don't have time or energy to cook when we get home. While some may view eating out as a luxury I view it as a way I choose to spend my time and money. I don't understand why I should penalized because of how I choose to spend my money. Maybe we should tax people who attend baseball games since they are more likely to use such a museum.

I'd be more likely to support the food tax if it were for something more general purpose than a MLB museum... something that is appealing to more members of the general public. I agree with the last post by "cw" that the baseball museum is something that should derive more from private initiatives than public taxes.

Todd

The idea that this will cost the average Durhamite $20 per year is curious. That implies $2,000 per year in spending on 'prepared' foods - or $38.46 per week.

For a family of 4, that's a little more than one meal out a week for anything other than fast food. Or 5 $7.50 lunches by yourself and no meals out - or Pizza - for the kids.

Mike Woodard

The proposed Minor League Baseball Fan Experience and Museum is just one of many projects that the sales tax revenue could support. I'm on vacation, so I don't have the full list, but from memory I recall the Carolina Theatre, Hayti Heritage Center, the Civic Center, and numerous other capital projects. The City Council and County Commissioners also proposed including various health, education, and "general purpose" programs in the list of proposed projects. I'll post more when I return next week.

Michael Bacon

Todd,

If it's the "average Durhamite," that means it's $38.46 per week per person, not per household. Which means for your family of four, that would alot them around $150 per week for eating out. That doesn't seem that far off, considering that it's a very crude unweighted average across every man, woman, and child in the city.

Todd

Michael - Thanks for the clarification. $150 a week is a bit high, but a lot closer to reality than $38.

Wake County has used their meals tax to fund, among other things, the RBC Center and the soon to be open Convention Center. Those buildings clearly promote tourism and bring in dollars from outside the area.

Durham's list, on the other hand, includes some questionable items - in particular County Stadium and the Civic Center. Both have been perpetual money losers requiring annual infusions of more tax dollars. County Stadium is little more than a football staduim for Northern HS, and the Civic Center is really just ballrooms for the Marriott hotel. Neither deserve to be on the list compared to other needs in our community.

No money should be spent on a high school football stadium as long as there are 130 trailers in use as classrooms by DPS across Durham County. And if money is to be spent on a convention center in Durham, it should be on a new state-of-the-art one - not the Marriott ballrooms.

Ellen Reckhow

Actually, there are over 80,000 commuters (about half of our labor force) who come from other counties and work in Durham. If they eat lunch in Durham, they will be contributing to this revenue.
While the Minor League Baseball Fan Experience and Civic Center are getting much of the publicity, there are many other projects. Possible projects amount to over $170 million. They include the Museum of Life and Science, Durham Arts Council, Hayti Heritage Center, Durham Central Park, Leigh Farm Park, an environmental education center, and a number of greenway trail and open space projects.

Barry

Ellen - it's my understanding that there will be an "aggressive" campaign mounted against passing this tax, including from the Durham Committee. My recollection from the discussion of the potential land transfer tax initiative last year was that elected officials were prohibited from explicitly advocating in favor of passing a referendum that would increase taxes. Ami remembering correctly? And if so, how will our elected officials, who seem to be pretty much in favor of this tax, work to ensure its passage?

Ellen Reckhow

Barry,
The County cannot advocate -- we can only educate. Typically, we form a steering committee to raise private money and advocate for the issue. We plan to do it again.

TT

Using this revenue to support greenway and open space projects is brilliant. Such improvements will certainly add value to Durham's cultural assets and businesses. Alternative transportation options will contribute substantially to our future economic stability, by offsetting the VMT costs to visitors and our local workforce. Kudos is deserved to Ellen and others for seeing the potential for this proposed tax to be a win-win for our local environment and economy.

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