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March 18, 2008

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Burch Avenue resident

This is why I read Bull City Rising before the Herald-Sun. Great reporting!

Michael Bacon

I'm guessing Eugene said that the city was asked to show its dowry, not diary. Or is there some tradition about diaries I'm not familiar with?

Vote Maybe

The evening was an amazing gathering of characters. I think that if Greenfire had sold tickets to the event they could have closed their financing gap last night. I'm surprised that there was no spontaneous passing of the hat to donate to the charity efforts of Michael and Carl (aka Greenfire). Hopefully this deal won't become a Greenback Fire in the future.

Since the council saw fit to use the marriage analogy, I think it is import to reflect on the rate of failed marriages in this country and the cost of divorce on the impacted family and community at large. It is a horrendous statistic.

Aside from that, what occurred last night was a well scripted plan. In fact, I support the Yes vote (too much koolaid maybe). Seriously, what is the harm in approving a few innocent non-binding deal points - they are just deal points as Alan DeLisle enjoys repeating.

I do take exception to the lack of action on pushing for more transparency and public involvement. Stop telling us that you will and start showing us HOW and WHEN.

Without specifics, the vote last night was permission for DeLisle and Greenfire to go back behind closed doors to hammer out what they perceive is the best deal for them. This is not a "Trust Me" issue, I think a lot of people trusted the CEO at BearStearns until a week ago when market events over took his best intentions. Transparency is the best way forward, not only to engage the public and get residents/business owners support, but to manage the painfully obvious market risks that exist.

Furthermore, other developers are getting involved - not because they want this project but because if this fails it will make all projects in the area far more difficult to finance. That will be extremely painful for Durham.

Mike

Greenfire has done some great things in downtown, The only problem I have is that there is NO affordable housing. The downtown needs working class folks to help it survive!

JC Lately

They certainly have done a good job buying property. I'm not sure how equates to "done some great things in downtown".

Michael Bacon

I find this inter-developer snipping really funny. "Doesn't have the experience," as if any of them were doing anything meaningful 10 years ago. Yes, Greenfire has just done Baldwin and have done a fantastic job on the old Fire Station #1, and now they're doing multiple 16 story buildings? Capital Broadcasting had dabbled a little around their studios in Raleigh, and suddenly they think they can do a whole historic restoration? Andy R. turns a little storefront into a biotech lab, and suddenly he thinks he can pull of Venable, Heritage Square, and Golden Belt at the same time? BDV/BDP has some guys who made some coin in the NBA, and suddenly they're topping CBC on historic renovations? DAPAPA has a bunch of people who've managed the buildings they run their businesses in, and suddenly they're lecturing Greenfire on what they have the experience to do?

The only party doing anything major downtown that has anything approaching more than a decade of experience doing urban projects is SBER, and they've made a couple of goofs themselves. Me, I'm not worried too much. We've suddenly got a big stable of developers who all appear to be bright business people, who recognize the potential that downtown has, and have at least some respect for urban design and historic preservation (and all of them seem to have a few blind spots).

You want experience in downtown? Ronnie Sturdivant's your guy.

JC Lately

A month goes by... Any thoughts on what the "Public" process will be and when? I heard from one local resident (in the loop) that when they approached Greenfire to participate they were told to subscribe to their newsletter. Worse, it took a couple of weeks to even get that reply...

So much for dialog, I guess no one could see this coming.

the vlm

This whole plan reeks of the old chummy politics of Durham.

It punishes the trailblazers like Rue Cler by sabotaging their business. Durham needs development, but it needs to learn from other municipalities that letting a favored developer run roughshod over the competition. For any Durham "revival" to be sustainable there have to be multiple players with competing, overlapping interests. I guess they don't teach econ as part of the undergrad requirements at harvard.

The TROSA stunt was a disgusting low-point. These people should be ashamed, as should you for trumpeting it.

Bull City Rising

VLM,

I'd invite you to re-read this post. The Jimmy Stewart reference and the tone of amazement were intended to show the orchestration of positive support, not to necessarily praise the presence of same.

It was, frankly, a bizarrer-than-usual turn for Durham politics, which was the whole point of the coverage.

Though I always had trouble remembering whether the demand curve was upward- or downward-sloping, though.

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