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January 09, 2008

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steve bocckino

I cringed when I read Ted Voorhees's line taking credit for our "responsible" 2% growth. The rooster takes credit for the dawn! Developers drive our growth rate, which is not managed in any way. In my experience, our pols have not rejected a single rezoning in order to manage our growth rate. A development moratorium policy supposedly kicks in if school enrollment exceeds 120% of capacity systemwide, but it hasn't ever been implemented. Zoning decisions sometimes hinge on road capacity, but not on growth rate per se.

I am increasingly in favor of a policy—Barry Ragin's idea—that we should have a guaranteed 6-month supply of water. I think you'd have to add "with 98% probability." I wonder if we have sufficient weather data to calculate those probabilities?

Dave W.

Hey, let's rezone some more Southern Durham land, take out some more countryside/rural character, and drop in some more suburban crappy development and encourage more sprawl.

see story in today's N&O here..

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/durham/story/869693.html

Let's hope the Planning commission nixes this project quickly and repeatedly, and others that further the Southpointification of south Durham.
This certainly seems to make it harder to think about water supply meeting demand into the future, and preserving development/water quality buffers at a major reservoir.

Kevin Davis

Dave -- no time to post detailed thoughts on the Boylan Co. plan here today but I will do so tonight and we'll have coverage of Thu. night's meeting.

Until I can put something longer here, I think it's worth separating out two factors about developments like the Boylan proposal (1,200 homes on ~165 acres).

1) Is this type of development good? What's proposed here isn't -- independent of geography -- suburban sprawl. Back of the envelope, we're probably talking about .1 acres/house when you factor in open space. That's equivalent to or higher than residential density in the urban core. And (again, the particular Jordan Lake watershed issues aside), it's growth on the edge of RTP, meaning it's growth that's close to employment centers, leading to less road impact, less use of gas, etc.

2) Is this particular _location_ the right one for this much density? The paragraph above applies to, say, Davis Park in RTP as easily as it does to this location. The challenge with the latter will come down to (a) Jordan Lake watershed issues and (b) the fact that existing plans already call for much lower density here. Best guess: a developer would need to be prepared to deliver oodles upon oodles of elements like on-site stormwater management/re-use in order to have a prayer of getting entitlement on this one.

Reckhow and Brown coming out so pessimistic in the N&O gives these developers a long shot out of the gate.

More tonight.

steve bocckino

I'm not easily shocked, but this proposal floored me.

If Boylan's project is approved, Durham might as well tear up its Comprehensive Plan. This land is just feet away from Jordan Lake, hardly "on the edge of RTP." Why does south Durham need another 1200 apartments? Why does south Durham need even more retail? The rapacious development that south Durham has endured over the past 7 years would not be tolerated in other neighborhoods in Durham.

barry

"Why does south Durham need even more retail?"

Sales tax revenue from all of those new Chatham County shoppers.

Dave W.

I think urban density is a great thing...in urban areas.

Not in one of the few remaining bits of rural character Durham county has. Large picture, it is still sprawl, even if dense —it encourages way more crap (okay development) out there instead of preserving a valuable local resource, rural character (plus water issues).

No doubt tax revenues are appealing to local governments but hopefully lots of citizens remember the govt. works for them and needs to begin taking heed of quality of life issues (and reminding them we are decades behind in maintaining what infrastructure is already in place).

Preserving rural character isn’t as much of a driver as sales tax into the coffers...unless hundreds of citizens speak up and remind planning commission and city government that rural character and smart development is something that citizens DO WANT. Hopefully there are folks who this displeases enough to holler at the appropriate peoples.

...otherwise in the end the country mouse and the city mouse will be made extinct, and we'll just be left with the rats.

Bull City Rising

Steve, Dave -- Just to be clear, as I noted above, there clearly are real issues and questions around the fit of the proposal with the Comprehensive Plan, in terms of _this_ project at _this_ location. So, in the following thoughts, I'm not necessarily speaking to this particular proposal.

That said -- I want to touch on South Durham as a whole for a moment, leaving aside this particular project. Steve, I gotta disagree with the idea that we define this part of South Durham as "feet away from Jordan Lake" instead of "on the edge of RTP." Both are accurate descriptions. Of course, by being 'on the edge' of RTP I'm speaking in terms of relativity, but it's important to keep in mind:

751 & Fayetteville Rd. to RTP (*) -- 8.7 miles
North Durham (Infinity & Rox) to RTP -- 15.1 miles
Wake Forest to RTP -- 27.4 miles
Raleigh, NC to RTP -- 15.7 miles
Holly Springs to RTP -- 24.1 miles
Carrboro to RTP -- 16.1 miles
Clayton to RTP -- 33.7 miles

(* - Defined as corner of Davis Dr. & NC-54, since that's near the new Research Tri. Foundation HQ.)

Again, setting aside the current project and its merits or lack thereof... I think it's just not reasonable to think that southern Durham makes sense to be 'shut off' from more development entirely. Ultimately, population rises no matter what, as you noted over at Barry's place; in fact, the U.S. can expect another 100 million people within most of our lifetimes.

I'd love to see Durham put tighter limits on growth in the northern part of the County, where any growth encroaches on old rural settlements like Bahama and Rougemont. If this were fifty years ago, I'm sure I'd make the same argument about South Durham. But at the end of the day, RTP is the 800 lb. gorilla in the room.

And I'd rather see growth in close proximity to it. After all, South Durham commuters who travel to RTP have shorter commutes, using less gas and road capacity. And in general, a commuter choosing to live in Durham and commute to RTP or Raleigh makes use of the excess capacity on our roads that we have in one direction each day.

Dave: I guess my question would be, what other ways would you propose we support population growth? Urban in-fill is great, and something I support... but it also drives gentrification. Still, the City is getting behind DDI's concept of 10,000 residents downtown as a long-term goal, which is great. In the end of the day, though, the idea of S. Durham remaining at the status quo when it's so close to what I believe either Steve or George Brine noted was the real "monster in the room" of I-40 just isn't all that likely.

steve bocckino

Kevin---look at a map! This property is literally feet from Jordan Lake---it abuts Army Corps of Engineers land-- and 9 miles from RTP.

Recent history convinces me that a lot of downtown folks would cry mightily if someone plopped this abomination anywhere near their neighborhoods---and they would have the full support of the Durham blogger community. It's easy to support development in someone else's part of town.

Barry

I-40's already been through 3 widenings in the 15 years i've been here, and i suppose with more development it'll just have to be widened again.

what's that you say? there's no more right of way to make it wider?

good heavens. whatever will we do?

Bull City Rising

Steve: Like I said, this development is _both_ close to RTP and close to Jordan Lake. Is nine miles next door? No. But outside of some locations in eastern Durham, Morrisville, and parts of Cary, there aren't a lot of areas in the Triangle that are closer to the economic center of the region.

What makes my blood boil is seeing the meteoric growth of places like Johnston County as "bedroom communities" for the Triangle -- a trend that simply sets all of us North Carolinians up to pay the financial and environmental burden of stupidly-planned exurban growth in the years to come.

Where we disagree, I think, is that I *don't* agree that 1,200 houses on 165 acres is necessarily an abomination, if it's in the right location. What's inherently wrong with a dense mixed-use community, assuming proper siting? Isn't this how we encourage more sustainable development?

FWIW, I was one of the folks on the front lines saying that the level of density for The Chancellory at Trinity Park was a good thing. Downtown is a perfect location for higher-density residential. I'm certainly not opposed to this happening in "my neck of the woods." In fact, T.P. is home to a block of apartments that represents densest-single area in Durham, by Caleb Southern's calculation.

Barry: I'm the first person to agree that we need transit-oriented solutions. But the idea that we can just stick our fingers in our ears and say "LA LA LA" until the cows come home. I'd rather figure out ways to grow sustainably and convince our civic leaders to move us in that direction.

But sustainable growth isn't the same as no growth, in my book. If there's better ideas, I'm all ears.

steve bocckino

I have lived in an apartment complex with the density of TCATP in the midst of less dense uses (it was an eyesore). I have also lived in other housing far denser than 8 du/acre. I like high-rises and voted for them when I was on the zoning committee, but they don't belong everywhere. Existing development has to be taken into account. The development tiers were very carefully constructed to feather the most dense uses and I don't think TCATP or the Boylan development respect that agreement.

The comp plan, a painfully crafted consensus document, puts the highest densities downtown and near planned transit stops. Since apparently those transit stops aren't going to happen, we should rethink those densities. The whole point of the comp plan exercise was to focus density in appropriate areas and not at the fringe of the urban growth area, on the very shores of our water supply. And why on earth should 500,000 sf of office and retail be sited here?

If you lived in south Durham, you might be as sickened as I am by the sight of endless clearcutting for yet another glorified strip mall or apartment complex. It might be instructive for you to visit.

Bull City Rising

Steve,

Just to reiterate -- because I don't think I've been clear on this, it seems -- I'm not advocating for this much density on this particular site. I completely, wholeheartedly agree that development has to be coherent with the adjacent site uses.

Clearcutting and mass grading are also, yes, abominations. A few developers, such as those working on the Brightleaf at the Park development of US 70, are preserving topography and developing houses on existing slopes while preserving as much of the native tree stand as possible.

More developers should do this -- and local officials should try to require it wherever possible.

My point of raising the initial response to Dave was to make two points--

1) Whether or not this is an appropriate match between density and location, some of the folks talking about development in South Durham (not you, Steve) seem to imply that there should be an absolute limit to any new development or growth in South Durham. I don't think that position is tenable.

2) Assuming the right location can be found for it, this level of density is perfectly OK. I disagree strongly with the assertion earlier that this type of mixed use project is "suburban crappy" development. (Well, it could be crappy, but it's far from what I think of as suburban.) If we're going to have new development, we should darn sure push for density and mixed-use precisely to avoid the mistakes of more suburban development patterns.

Ultimately, denser development lets us meet the expected population growth over time with lower impact on transforming greenfield to development. But that's an overarching philosophy for me, and doesn't mean this kind of project is right "everywhere."

Worth noting that TCATP was, IMHO, not really a debate about density, but about class. And, I suspect, about the fears of some single-family homeowners that, somehow, condo dwellers didn't reflect the character of the neighborhood. Not that the density or height were perfect with that project -- they weren't -- but there were more issues than development best practices going on there.

Blue Moon

There's another commentary about the meeting at the new www.bullcityblue.net.

Locomotive Breath

Still, through the early months of 2006 Durham saw the steepest drop-off in water in-flow in history, a factor that has set up the Bull City for today's crisis. (Not that it couldn't get worse -- 1,600 years of tree-ring records have found regional megadroughts that have lasted for decades.)

Robert Jackson, a Nicholas School and biology professor at Duke, connected the current challenges to broader themes of climate change. "What made this drought such a wicked one?" Jackson asked. He noted that the dry summer and fall was part of it, as Bales noted -- but that the high temperatures in August through October this fall, which were at or among the highest temperatures on record in the Triangle, played a key role as well, adding to greater evaporation of water from the surface.
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What caused the megadroughts then?

Beware of academics promoting their own areas of research.

barry

Kevin - it's still a bit of a chicken and egg thing, as we've discussed before. but i think it's a mistake to say that the I-40 corridor is OK for additional developmentas is, unless we come up with some transportation options. The interstate itself is pretty close to maxed out, and NCDOT acknowledges that adding more lanes is no longer an option. Creating an elevated, double decker freeway is ridiculously expensive.

Without a transit alternative, that 9 mile commute from this new project to RTP will be a 40 minute ride before too long. And while i don't think congestion, in and of itself, is a very big problem, there's a whole host of problems that a couple of thousand cars sitting on the freeway not moving cause all by themselves.

Michael Bacon

I posted a tongue-in-cheek response in the new topic (I think I was low on the figure, though), but in all seriousness...

This project is just terribly done. Yes, we need new greenfield development in Durham, but it really ought to be NORTH OF I-40!

Durham's road budget is ridiculously huge, because we have major roads and infrastructure spanning areas with massive green areas in the middle of the city. I've talked about the 'great leap south' before, where Durham annexed aggressively for a couple of decades in order to embrace the growth along the new I-40 corridor -- this is the problem. Pop open Google Earth or Google Maps with the satellite imagery turned on and look at the massive swaths of greenspace on the southeastern hip of the city, right next to RTP, particularly around the Ellis Rd. exit. THAT is where new development should go, not racing towards Jordan Lake.

Note to the inevitable knees jerking about destruction of greenspace. Yes, I'm completely in favor of preserving it. But the greenspace I'm talking about is highly ecologically fragmented and degraded and not accessible or designed for anyone to use or enjoy. It would make some lovely back yards, though.

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