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November 19, 2007

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dwd

I think it's a shame they went for all national chains. And TGIF - who wants to live above that? Doesn't make sense with the price points of those condos..

And amen to your comment on Erwin Road.

durhamfood

ARGH! More mediocre national chains aimed at Dukies rather than good local restaurants!

Michael Bacon

In a perverse way, I kind of think more national chains right around Duke is kind of a good thing. That way, the dumb ones can stop bitching about there being nowhere to eat in Durham, whereas those with a clue can venture out into Durham where we get to meet them. Kind of a weeding out process.

phoebe

ugh indeed:

I've become one of the those annoying durham residents to all my raleigh friends: touting how fantastic it is that the development here seems to support more local rather than corporate franchise...oh well, not anymore.

Steve

You meant orange and pink, right? It's always been a favorite color combination of mine.

Bull City Rising

Steve: Orange and pink? I think you may be right, but it's awfully hard to tell. Mauve, perhaps?

To the Fridays folks -- I should open with a disclaimer here that, out of all the chain restaurants in the world, I actually don't mind Fridays and have even been known to eat there from time to time. With that disclosure having been made: I too like the fact that Durham is full of non-chain restaurants, and in fact looking back over the past month's credit card receipts, my wife and I have eaten at non-chain places like Rue Cler, Watts Grocery, P&O, etc. by a ratio of about 8:1 over chain places.

But there's a place for everything, you know?

I wouldn't worry about Durham being overtaken by chains; I would be hard pressed to think of many _chain_ restaurants that have opened north of, say, Garrett Rd. anytime in the past couple of years -- versus a wide number of locally owned establishments.

Which is exactly how it should be, IMHO. But I'm not panicking over the presence of some chain place going in.

KH

I too...am not ashamed to say that I like Friday's. I liked Ruby Tuesday's before they changed their menu. Tripps is okay to me also. That being said...I like options so if I want to eat the worst food in Durham at Cheesecake Factory (great cheesecake though) or some great food from one of our local spots, I have options.

I really think the national chains could learn a lot from the locals and the same for the locals.

KH

In regards to the Duke student, I completely agree and disagree. I think some people just fear different which represents most of Durham. Some people are better off in the sameness of Cary or N. Raleigh. These are places where I get lost very easily due to their sameness.

Durham is affluent, poor, educated, Black, White, Hispanic, liberal, conservative, etc.

Durham is not the most fun place for people 18-30. Three or four hangouts with 25 people don't make a GREAT nightlife experience. Duke students were partying in Trinity Park (and before that the Quad) because they had NO other choices.

Durham needs to continue to develop a broad array choices for not just Duke students and NCCU students but also young, single professionals (whom are the forgotten class of people in this area).

We don't want to keep going to Hi5 in Raleigh or some club that is members-only. I've been asked on several occasions by visitors, "Where do you go to dance in Durham?" Don't worry...I'll wait

mike

I agree completely with you KH, there really aren't any really good nightlife places here. I love Durham and live downtown, am a single professional student at Duke, but if I want to out out for a long night of fun I have to Raleigh or Chapel Hill. The restaurants and the urban feel of Durham can't be beat, but it would be great if West Village II put in just one chic dance club and a late night bar like Tyler's or something.

mathpants

KH,

I'm nicely between the ages of 18 and 30 and find Durham a blast. I imagine there are many different types of people between the ages of 18 and 30 in Durham. There are also, thankfully, many different types of Duke students, some of whom seem quite comfortable going to a party outside Trinity Park (often at someone's house! whom they had earlier met and befriended! during some sort of activity not related to the university!).

Sorry for the snarky tone, but the general attitude of your post (is the young professional class really the "forgotten" class around here? really?) kinda got my back up.

You are, of course, right on the facts: there are not that many options in Durham for people who wish to do the sort of thing you're describing. Whether or not that's a terrible thing, or at least something which Durham "needs" to fix, is probably a pointless thing to debate. If you want my advice (good lord, I'm sure you don't), go to the Green Room, bring a flask of whisky, and put Prince on the jukebox. They do allow the young professional class in there.


mathpants

Mike,

you've got Ringside right near you, no? Or has that been closed down (I've been out of town for a few months). It's a great deal of fun, though it either may or many meet one's definition of "chic."

If someone could convince Montas to open up a chain (hey, back on thread!) franchise downtown, that would be a marked improvement. I daresay Durham "needs" to get on that.

ASE

My wife theorizes that we'll see at least one major chain restaurant move into the Phase III section of American Tobacco. I imagine downtown has long been a high-risk venture for franchises (too few patrons, no enormous space for a Cheesecake Factory). Given the recent critical success and popularity of the local restaurants though -- and some spankin' new buildings -- the chains will undoubtedly feel more secure in opening up a spot. And the design of Phase III is insular enough that patrons won't have to gaze upon the county jail while dining.

Our local:chain ratio is probably even higher than 8:1, unless you consider Elmo's, Tyler's, and Torero's to be chains! They've each got at least TWO! :-)

Dottie

How much are they paying residents and fellows these days? When my ex started his residency he made 22K. Six years later, when he finished his fellowship he was still in the 20's. I can't imagine any resident or fellow affording 420K for one of those condos---unless mummy and daddy are footing the bill:)

Dottie

How much are they paying residents and fellows these days? When my ex started his residency he made 22K. Six years later, when he finished his fellowship he was still in the 20's. I can't imagine any resident or fellow affording 420K for one of those condos---unless mummy and daddy are footing the bill:)

mike

Starting salary for a Duke intern is $43,000. It goes up by about 2 grand a year and by the time you are a fellow, depending on the specialty, it is 55,000 max. Not likely enough for a $420,000 condo.

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