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November 14, 2007

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Will Elliott

I think we should keep in mind that over time millions of people will view this bridge. And we have an opportunity to leave that many positive (or negative) impressions of Durham. Spare no expense (not literally but you know what I mean) - and make this something we can all be proud of.

Daniel Schudel

A survey was provided at the meeting to solicit public input. I took the liberty of scanning it and posting it on my website. Please download it, fill it out, and submit it back to the city. Contact information for return is found at the bottom of the survey.

This is the URL to my scanned copy: http://public.campingfools.com/wiki/tiki-download_file.php?fileId=63

Tanner Lovelace

Excellent synopsis. I'd still like to know the answer to the question I asked last night, though, about just when we can expect (or hope?) to have the money from the DOT. Is that just around the corner or are there likely to be more delays?

One thing that really came out in the meeting last night, I think, is that the architect really seems like an artist, but also seems very practical. I came away feeling good about the design process, except for wanting it to hurry up and get done as soon as possible!

Bill Bussey

Hi Tanner,

To answer your question, they DO have the money from DOT. See the City's Capital Improvement Projects website for the details.
http://www.durhamnc.gov/cip/ProjectView.cfm?vAcctNo=292

These funds are mostly federal funds, including an earmark from Congressman Price, that is being funneled by DOT. There is a relatively small chunk from the Lexus dealership near the bridge site that the city obtained to allow for him to build his dealership as he wanted.

According to the dealer's lawyer, whom I sat next to last night, the dealer offered to "build the entire bridge", as long as he could choose the architect, several years back, but Durham and DOT would not allow it.

I'm not sure why they didn't answer your question last night. Durham staff told us the reason for the delay on getting this project moving is because they couldn't get an exact amount they had to work with from DOT. That had to go through the Transportation Planning and ranking process in the MPO.

We were told they couldn't start planning or design on this bridge until they knew the exact amount they had, even though there were some funds available (the dealer's) and they had a good idea of what would be forthcoming from discussions with the NCDOT.

We found this out because of the petition. Thanks to all who participated in that.

As we found out last night, they still don't know exactly how much they will have because they want more. But they have at least a good idea! ;-)

Ain't bureaucracy grand!

Again, on the size of the project they gave figures for last night, inflation causes it to rise $1282 per day!

If they don't start construction on this project for say 700 days - which is reasonable based on their timeline given last night - it will cost an additional $898K, which is half of the additional amount they are seeking!

So I agree with you that they need to keep moving on this. $1282 per day would pay for a lot of staff and lawyer time!

Thanks to all who attended the meeting last night. If you weren't able to attend the meeting, check out the link on this blog to the questionnaire that they handed out last night.

Happy Trails,

Bill B.

DC

Thanks for the rundown on the meeting. I wanted to go but wasn't able. I appreciate the summary!

Jack

Thanks for the great summary of last night's meeting. I agree with Tanner, Steven Grover seemed to get it. I was really happy to hear his comments.

Daniel, thanks for scanning and uploading the survey. It is also available now on the city website. I've included a link to it, as well as to Steven Grover's website and portfolio at BingsHaus.org.

Lastly, t'was a pleasure riding in on the bike bus last night. Its always great to put faces with names! We should do the same for the next meeting as well.

Jack

Freddie

I already made a comment about this earlier yesterday before the meeting so I will copy and paste my thoughts on that post...

I myself like the idea of having a uniquely architectured bridge over 40...I think it will create character to an area that has alot of positives in South Durham...I like the one in Raleigh myself and love the looks of it at night...I think it will hopefully encourage people who don't typically ride bikes to do so just to check out the bridge...To those who've never been on the trail, it will create sort of an intrigue as to what the American Tobacco Trail is all about...

Dan Clever

The existing funds are held by DOT, but Durham won't have access to it until the municipal agreement is signed by both. I understand that the agreement is ready, and that city council will review it soon. Then it goes to NCDOT for signature. We'll need to keep an eye on it and make sure it moves along.

One person last night asked about the bridges in Chatham. The trail in Chatham has already been designed, and bidding and construction on the trail/bridges is supposed to start next year.

Robbie Foust

Wish I could have attended the meeting! I'll definitely fill out the survey.

(Hi Dan S.! Haven't talked to you in forever!) :-)

- Robbie

Philip Semanchuk

I was the one at the meeting last night who questioned whether or not it would be worthwhile to build a "signature" bridge (which is a nebulous term, as Mr. Grover pointed out) that's within 1/2 mile of the definitely-not-signature Fayetteville Rd. bridge. I wish I had been clearer -- I'm in favor of taking some extra money and time to make public works look sharp, but I'm unconvinced that it can be done in this context. We shall see and I hope to be pleasantly surprised. I came away from the meeting with a good feeling about Mr. Grover.

Dan, your map is great! Thank you!

Derek

Thanks for the excellent post and detail. I couldn't make the meeting but am a big ATT fan and regular trail user. I will fill out the survey and send in. I just want the bridge done--but considering *usage* in the design is critical. It would be a waste of several million to have it be inadequate right from the start. However, I don't care about aesthetics as seen by the I-40 drivers.

orulz

I still say that there should be a bridge over both NC54 and I-40. A bridge over 54 could go immediately west of the intersection with Fayetteville. Look at the grades there, it's totally doable without too much fill dirt.

I say, value engineer the bridge over I-40 to be as inexpensive as possible, and use the extra money to build a bridge over 54.

joel

Equestrian fans will not be the only ones grumbling about the choice of asphalt. As it stands, the Wake County portion of the ATT is a runner's jewel with its packed dirt surface. This is usable for everyone: runners, walkers, horses, mountain bikes...Perhaps as a cost-saving factor, packed dirt could be considered for unbuilt trail portions.

Anonymous

Bill B.,

I'm curious where the calculations come from to come up with the $1282/day inflationary costs mentioned?

As there is always the typical time associated with design, bid, and build phases of any major construction project, perhaps I have misunderstood or simply been ignorant to the previous delays up until now on this project?

Do you mean to say that each day construction has NOT started means that it's sapping this money AWAY from the $4.865 MM that has already been "earmarked" for this bridge?

It seems this would come from the $101K slated for the design phase, correct? Or perhaps this inflationary cost HAS, in fact, been accounted for and been incorporated into the additional funding sought (typically major capital projects account for inflation in conceptual budget estimates)?

Please clarify...

Tom

I realize this is a bit of a delayed response, but I just came across this article, then followed the link to the Durham Capital Improvement Project website (http://www.durhamnc.gov/cip/ProjectView.cfm?vAcctNo=292). I hope I am interpreting this incorrectly, but this status report from Feb 08 (cut-pasted below) indicates the design phase will run through 2Q 2010 (another 2 years!). Presumably bidding and construction will take another 18-24 months (into 2012). Please tell me I am mis-interpreting this info. Perhaps we can get an update from Mr. Venable and/or the TRTC board.

Latest Status Report: **(Feb/11/2008)
Project Phase: Design
Percent of Current Phase Complete: 15%
Major Activities This Period:
A contract to begin the community involvement and conceptual design process for the pedestrian bridge over I-40 has been awarded and work has commenced. The next public meeting will be held in 2008. A contract is being negotiated with Parsons Brinkerhoff for the design of the bridge.
Expected Date of Current Phase Completion: (qtr/year) 2/2010

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