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September 15, 2007

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Kevin

It's also interesting to note that different people are getting different calls. The call one of my neighbors received began something like this: "Hello, this is...Thomas Stith. I know what it's like to be pulled over by the police because of the color of my skin..." My neighbor just happens to be black.

The call I received made no mention of that at all. I just happen to be white Coincidence?

Perhaps you should conduct a survey and see who received the most outrageous microtargeted robo-call?

tony

Thanks for helping us figure out exactly WHO is dumping all this $$$ into Stith's negative campaign.

We recieved a recorded phone message yesterday from the Stith campaign railing about what a "sanctuary" D-town is for "illegals". (I'm paraphrasing here).

I think Stith's entire campaign is tasteless, Rovian and part of some larger agenda.

More importantly, doesn't anyone remember WHY it's important NOT to hassle law-abiding, yet possibly illegal aliens? To get their cooperation in solving CRIME, that's why. Many alien residents don't report CRIME because of fear of the federales. Jeez, Louise, have conservatives just lost their minds lately? When it's convenient these "conservatives" can rail about "state's rights", then the next moment they want everyone to work for the Federal Government.

Let's quash, condemn and correct Stith's campaign loudly, often and up until election day.

Joe

More and more I wish I had transcribed Mr. Stith's message. I assumed that probably everyone in Durham got it, but now I see that he's sending different calls to different people.

I also find it kind of amusing that I got (what I regard as) an essentially anti-Hispanic call when so many people take my last name as Hispanic. Doesn't anyone check on these things? :)

Barry

I was at a Bill Bell event this afternoon, and as expected, this was a hot topic. A couple of folks have kept the message on their answering machines; i'm trying to get a copy and/or a transcription. Definitely two different messages were reported. One with the preface Kevin mentions above, one without. And apparently which call you receive depends on your skin color.

I have not gotten either of these calls.

Ray Gronberg

Kevin, your comment that the H-S hasn't noticed or reported on Stith's voting record in this matter is inaccurate. See http://www.heraldsun.com/archives/printfriendly.cfm?urn=0557251813. Fifth paragraph:

"The 2003 resolution passed that year with support from a majority of the council's present members, namely Stith, Councilman Howard Clement, Councilwoman Cora Cole-McFadden and Mayor Bill Bell, and said Durham officials should refrain from asking about immigration status unless required otherwise 'by law, or by court order.'"

I would also take issue with your characterization that DPD policy "jives with what was revealed" about departmental practice by Deputy Chief Hodge. General Order 4073 permits no inquiry into immigration status by DPD personnel.

Bull City Rising

Ray: Thanks for the comments. You are of course 100% right as to the H-S piece; I couldn't find it in a search of the H-S archives on the web site, though I did not delve into Lexis-Nexis (or, of course, could have just missed this). I'll correct that on the piece.

In re General Order 4073: I interpreted the reading of the sentence "[o]fficers shall not inquire into the immigration status of any person, nor shall they engage in activities designed to ascertain the immigration status of any person" as being focused on actions officers should take during on-the-street, pre-arrest stops. That sentence is located in the section titled "Identification Procedures During Stops and Calls."

I don't see a conflict between Hodge's claims of database checks and Order 4073. Just because DPD isn't supposed to check immigration status of individuals pre-arrest doesn't mean that checking the names of arrested individuals against law enforcement databases after arrest violates the policy. Hodge's read of current procedure -- assuming the department takes its current action only after bringing a suspect into custody -- seems OK to me by 4073.

It's also worth noting that the policy goes on to state that should DPD officers encounter or suspect some of what immigration policy critics might consider some the worst situations -- drop houses for transferring or holding illegal immigrants, or vehicles used to transport same -- officers should "detain all at the scene" and contact Homeland Security.

Again, of course, this was all to my read. Ray, you've been looking at this longer than I have and I could well be wrong about the letter of the policy on this.

Even in that event, I would argue that the following still holds in re compatibility of the policy's spirit: the intent of the City Council resolution and DPD's actions (in practice, at least) both appear consistent in an intent and action of DPD not going around asking people their immigration status during an interrogation or as cause for a stop. Post-arrest, my understanding is immigration status is a more open subject.

To my mind, this behavior is not in the realm of what some call 'sanctuary city' activity, in which local governments are reputedly actively resisting ICE/DHS policies. Some conservatives may disagree -- I would ask them, in turn, for examples of municipalities Durham's size or larger that are actively stopping individuals on the street to ascertain immigration status. Be it de jure or de facto, it's not my impression that that's a task local law enforcement in most cities have ever taken on.

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I'm still scratching my head as to why Stith would be trying to make hay out of immigration when he voted for the policy. The fact that the H-S had already revealed this in last Monday's paper makes it all the more puzzling to my mind.

That Stith makes the claim (as quoted in the H-S) that we need to make the 2003 policy that the Council voted on more reflective of current DPD practice still ignores the fact that he voted for the current policy, and that he and Bell seem on the same page on this.

Mike Woodard

There were two robocall messages, one for white households and one for African-American households. A few bi-racial couples I know found this delineation interesting since the robot had to choose one or the other message for their homes.

Here is the text of the message we received at our house:

Hello. This is Thomas Stith.

Did you know that Durham is a sanctuary city, a city where illegal immigrants commit crimes without fear of deportation?

That's right. Our local police can't inquire about the citizenship of people who commit a crime in our city. We can change that with your help. [Who is "we"?]

At Monday night's City Council meeting, I'm going to introduce a resolution to end the policy that makes Durham a safe haven for illegal immigrants.

Call members of the City Council and attend the City Council meeting to show your support.

I'm Thomas Stith. Thank you for your time.

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