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July 12, 2007

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Bull City Rising

A quick disclaimer: As some readers know, I'm on the board of the Trinity Park Neighborhood Association (though only since April, so I wasn't around for the first round of smelly goodness on this little shindig.) That said, this blog post represents only my opinion, and doesn't attempt to reflect _in any way_ the opinion of the TPNA board. This post is based only on information presented during the public meeting of the TPNA on Wednesday, July 11.

GK

As a reader posted to me, I think Cleveland-Holloway would gladly give the proposed, much shorter and less dense Level-IV, locked-down facility for youth with severe behavioral problems to Trinity Park if it is looking to trade projects. And that's actually proposed for a local historic district, unlike Trinity Park.

My point being, I agree with you on the issues of density and urbanity. I wasn't at this meeting, but the proposal seems to address the primary issue of concern to me, which was the height. This is not much different than the height of historic apartment buildings in the neighborhood, including the demolished Beverly Apts. which were directly across the street.

http://www.endangereddurham.org/Photos/beverlyapts.jpg

I'm all for neighborhoods taking control of their destiny, but it's highly unlikely that exactly what the most recalcitrant neighbors want is going to be built there. Digging in the heels too much can come back to bite a neighborhood, simply because the neighborhood can't control the whole process. I've seen it several times - the proposed project fails, and the next guy to come along builds something on the cheap that requires the least amount of review. This isn't to suggest that the neighborhood should act out of fear - but the neighborhood be wary of acting out of revenge as well.

GK

mike

Basically, bottom line... they need to go ahead and build the thing. It a parking lot right now. You can't please everyone and it seems like they have done a good job of pleasing the rational people.

Bull City Rising

Gary -- thanks for the comments. I actually wonder how many TP folks know that a group home for (IIRC) homeless persons suffering from AIDS was approved on Buchanan right at the neighborhoods' edge at a recent City Council meeting? And I wonder what the reaction would have been if they had?

Personally, I'd love to see these facilities spread out more -- among north, south and central Durham. Concentration in the East is not sustainable, humane, or right.

Mike -- not sure I would agree that those opposing the plan are being irrational. They're actually a well-educated, erudite bunch including some architects, designer-engineers, attorneys, etc. I haven't talked with them about why they dislike the project, though my assumption from some of last night's discussions is that density is the issue. Which comes back to your definition of what an urban neighborhood should be. I think they've thought their concerns out well and have justified them well... if you agree with that base premise of urbanity. (Also, don't forget the whole hotel history, which is not confidence inspiring.)

Mike Woodard

And I wonder how many TP residents even know that there has been a group home on Buchanan for homeless persons suffering from AIDS, adjacent to the new project, since 2000?

http://www.acra-org.com/Houses.htm

I'd be willing to bet not many, since it has blended into the fabric of the community.

Michael Bacon

I'm having a little bit of trouble interpreting the elevations there. I assume that the first one is the view from across Buchanan, whereas the second is the view along Main? If so, what's the small building to the right in the first one?

Aside from that, while I understand a lot of the complaints that have come up from TPers, if the current design is well represented in the elevations here, then I have essentially zero sympathy for any remaining complaints. Concerns about height, historic design, architecture, street frontage, seas of parking, etc., are all valid in my opinion, but density-phobia is not. I'm suspect of it just about everywhere, but density-phobia at the intersection of Main and Buchanan for a measly 48 units/acre is absolutely insane.

One of Caleb Southern's favorite pop quizes was to ask people where the highest residential density for a single complex in Durham was. The answer? In Trinity Park! At Guy Solie's Governor apartments (http://www.trinitypropertiesapartments.com/Durham%20Governor%20Dreamweaver.htm).
I don't remember the number he cited, but just glancing at the photos and the parcel maps, I think it squeezes 48 units onto just a half-acre of land. Caleb's point was two-fold. One, when the parking is on-street, it's a lot less noxious, but more importantly, when density is built into the fabric of the neighborhood, people don't get so uptight about it.

I'd like to see an aerial map of the new Chaunceoulluriee plans, because where the parking goes is obviously a devil that often hides in the details, but I mean, really people. This is on MAIN STREET for cryin' out loud.

Michael Bacon

Grrr... it won't let me edit. The way TypePad HTML-ified that last post, it left the closing parenthesis in the URL. So when you click on it, you'll get "Not Found." Just delete the parenthesis and the period at the end of the link, and you'll be golden.

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